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At 08:59 +0200 2001-11-29, Klaas Ruppel wrote:
>I now received the comments of my Sami colleague. He supports my
>views in full.
>
>At 15:18 +0000 27.11.2001, Michael Everson wrote:
>>Hĺvard Hjulstad has proposed the following to the ISO 639 JAC.
>>Do you have an opinion?
>
>Thank you for asking. Yes, I have an opinion.
>
>The main issue is that even if there are 10 different Sámi languages
>they have only one name for it: A Northern Sámi speakes Sámi and
>from his/her aspect other Sámi speakers speak "Southern-", "Lule-"
>or what ever Sámi: a Southern Sámi again speakes Sámi and for him
>other Sámi speakers speak "Nothern-", "Inari-" or what ever Sámi.
>
>This situation makes it impossible to use idigenous language names
>in this case (in all Sámi languages the name of the languages
>beginns with "s", has an "a" or similar and a "m").
>
>There are 2 work arrounds:
>
>1. use English
>
>2. use Northern Sámi as the most close indigenous language
>
>The latter would result in:
>
>1. Lule Sámi: julev(u)sámegiella   smj
>2. Southern Sámi: lullisámegiella  sml
>3. Inari Sámi: anáras<sámegiella sma
>4. Skolt Sámi: nuortalas<sámegiella        smn
>
>This is my proposal (I am not aware which letter combinations are
>reserved already).
>
>Now commenting Hĺvard's proposal.
>
>>The current status is the following:
>>English French  Indigenous      Alpha-3 Alpha-2
>>Northern Sami   sami du Nord    davvisámegiella sme     se
>>Sami languages (Other)  sami, autres langues    -       smi     -
>
>This seems to mean that further 3-letter codes beginn with "sm". OK.
>
>>Proposed additions:
>>1.      Lule Sami / sami de Lule / julevusámegiella : Proposed identifier:
>>smj. Language spoken in Norway and Sweden. Search in the Norwegian Bibsys
>>library database (http://www.bibsys.no/) returned 120 documents.
>
>This is my proposal, too.
>
>>2.      Southern Sami / sami du Sud / ĺarjelsaemiengďele : Proposed
>>identifier: sma. Language spoken in Norway and Sweden. Search in Bibsys
>>returned 117 documents.
>
>Southern Sámi peoples do not speak "ĺarjelsaemiengďele" (ĺarjel =
>Southern), they speak "saemiengďele" (= Sámi language). In fact
>there not even seem to exist a word "ĺarjelsaemiengďele" in Southern
>Sámi: the dictionary of the literature language
>"Ĺarjelsaemien-daaroen baakoegćrja" (Southern Sámi language -
>Norwegian word book) does not have such entry (despite of the name
>of the book)! In my view it is better to use the name used by a
>closely related language than invent a "indigenous" name.
>
>>3.      Inari Sami / sami d'Inari / aanaar kielâ : Proposed identifier: smn.
>>Language spoken in Finland. Search in Bibsys returned 21 documents; search
>>in the Finnish Lapponica database returned 67 documents.
>
>Since "sma" is not needed for Southern Sámi, it is now free for
>Inari Sámi where it fits better (ĺ ‚ a, a = a).
>
>>4.      Skolt Sami / sami skolt / sää'm%iőll [% = k-caron] : Poposed
>>identifier: sms. Language spoken in Finland and Russia. Search in Bibsys
>>returned 12 documents; search in Lapponica returned 55 documents.
>
>The proposed "sms" is odd since its two s-letters have the same
>reference: Sámi.
>None of the s's should refer to Skolt, because this is not an
>indigenous name, even more: the Skolt Sámi themselves do not like to
>be called Skolt.
>
>>Non-proposals:
>>There are other Sami languages. Some of these are sometimes grouped. The
>>following Sami languages are not proposed for alpha-3 identifiers at this
>>time:
>>Kildin Sami : Language spoken in Russia. Possibly a future candidate.
>>Sometimes Eastern Sami is used to designate Kildin Sami and Akkala Sami (the
>>latter has very few users).
>
>The terms Western and Eastern are used to group the Sámi languages.
>Western Sámi languages are:
>Southern
>Ume
>Pite
>Lule
>Northern
>
>Eastern Sámi languages are:
>Inari
>Skolt
>Akkala
>Kildin
>Ter
>
>Additionally there has been used the terms Russian Sámi and Swedish
>Sámi languages for the Sámi languages spoken in the countries
>mentioned.
>
>>Pite Sami (or Piteĺ Sami) : Language spoken in Norway and Sweden. Very few
>>users and few documents.
>>Ume Sami (or Umeĺ Sami) : Language spoken in Sweden. Very few users and few
>>documents.
>>Ter Sami : Language spoken in Russia. Very few users and few documents.
>>Hĺvard Hjulstad 2001-11-27
>>
>>
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>>   NO-1430  Ĺs, Norway
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>>   http://www.hjulstad.com/havard/
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