I wanted to agree that role is all that's needed for names to distinguish the subject, author, etc. relationship to the content being described. I also think that perhaps the name does not need to be "subfielded" in the MARC sense, if it can be clear when the name is based on a controlled form in an authority file (namespace?) - we could then rely on authority control to help with indexing and displays, and other names not under control would be assumed to be keyword accessible (hopefully eventually systems would tie in to a virtual international authority file to get the variant and uncontrolled forms to collocate with the controlled forms for better precision of searching). - Barbara Tillett <snip from Ardie Bausenbach's email below> >>> [log in to unmask] 03/27/02 03:50PM >>> 1. Will most novice users be able to distinguish between "name" as creator (1XX or 7XX) and name as "subject" (6XX)? Perhaps the name element should be more explicitly identified (perhaps "creator")? 2. For corporate names, should there be an "order" attribute for "component", or will reading components left-to-right be sufficient? 3. Your notes for "name" indicate that "flat names" are presumed to be "structured". Can I assume this means, for example, that you expect personal names to be entered in inverted order? I am not sure you can count on users entering names in the manner we are used to seeing in the controlled entries of bibliographic records. However, there needs to be some mechanism (perhaps a "filingName" element) to enable systems to create usable lists of names for browsing and collocation. <snip> Ardie Bausenbach Automation Planning and Liaison Office Library Service Library of Congress [log in to unmask] Dr. Barbara B. Tillett, Ph.D. Chief, Cataloging Policy and Support Office Library of Congress 101 Independence Ave., S.E. Washington, D.C. 20540-4305 U.S.A. **Please do not send mail to LC via the regular post. All US Postal Service mail to the Library now is irradiated and takes several weeks to process. Please let me know if you want my home address. tel.: + (202) 707-4714 fax: + (202) 707-6629 email: [log in to unmask]