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After having seen the forwarded mails from Peter and Mathieu I would welcome a formal ballot for a 639-2 code, and I would second it although I am aware that we might open for a flood of applications from minorities within and around Germany and other countries. But I repeat what I have said before, maybe though in other words : We have variants, dialects, some of them with recognized names (Limburgish), others just called on the pattern <a language><a region> (American English). The latter lend themselves to being identified under RFC1366, that is now also, after a recent format change, a possible scheme for the library-based Marc21 network, tag 041. But the former should be allotted individual codes based on their names if/when they apply for it and the required documentation is proved to exist; the alternative would be a very tricky linguistic classification where Linguasphere could help us, but the average users of ISO639-2 would have little understanding for that coding. Sten -----Original Message----- From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Havard Hjulstad Sent: den 24 april 2002 13:46 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: ISO 639 submission - Limburgish Dear JAC members and observers, The submission below has been received. I have sent a response to the submitter requesting slightly better documentation for the documents. I have also asked about status in school, official "academy" or committee, and status and use in Germany. I think that we can assume that the 50 volume requirement will be met. However, I shall circulate any extra information that I receive. Limburgish is a "Low Saxon - Low Franconian" language (to use Ethnologue classification). The language is not found as an individual language in Ethnologue. It is clearly a complicated issue to draw linguistic boundaries in this very complex landscape, taking both linguistic and political issues into consideration. Linguasphere has the following items: 52-ACB-al = "Westplatt" (52 = "Germanic", 52-ACB = "Deutsch+Nederlands"). 52-ACB-ala = "Limburgesch-W" 52-ACB-alb = "Limburgesch-C" 52-ACB-alc = "Limburgesch-S" 52-ACB-ald = "Limburgesch-E" 52-ACB-ale = "Bergisch" (being east of the ones above, "centre" around Dusseldorf) The proposed alpha-2 identifier "lb" is in use (Luxemburgish). However, my opinion is that we don't need to worry about alpha-2 identifier. This is a candidate for alpha-3, but not for alpha-2 in my opinion. Any discussion? Best regards, Havard ------------------------- Havard Hjulstad mailto:[log in to unmask] Solfallsveien 31 NO-1430 As, Norway tel: +47-64944233 & +47-64963684 mob: +47-90145563 http://www.hjulstad.com/havard/ ------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 05:59:50 -0400 From: WWW generic account <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: New ISO 639-2 code This data was submitted on: Tuesday, April 9, 2002 at 05:59:50 lang_in_eng = Limburgish / Limburger / Limburgian lang_in_fre = Limbourgeois ref_where_found_1 = European Bureau of Lesser Used Languages / European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages / www.geocities.com/sassisch/rhahn/lowlands lang_in_vern = Limburgs ref_where_found_2 = trans_lit = evidence = - Library of the University of Nijmegen, the Netherlands (100+) (contact: [log in to unmask]) - Library of the University of Leuven, Belgium (100+) - Publisher "Uitgeverij TIC", Maastricht (amount unkown (contact:http://www.uitgeverijtic.nl/) - City Library of Maastricht, the Netherlands (amount unknown) - Meertens Institute (amount unknown) (contact: www.meertens.knaw.nl) addinfo = number of speakers: rough estimate 1,000,000 official status: recognized as regional language in the Netherlands (http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/EN/WhatYouWant.asp?NT=148&CM=8&DF=27/07/0 1) where spoken: in the 2 provinces of Limburg (the Netherlands and Belgium) (www.eblul.org/wow) request_addition = ISO 639-1 and ISO 639-2 2_code_suggestion = LB 3_code_suggestion = LIM submit_name = Mathieu van Woerkom submit_email = [log in to unmask] submit_status = academic student