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I also know the principle ...! I also know that it is a principle, and not a law. So: we get a proposal, I ask: Is the arguments strong enough to bend the principle? (I think not, but I am letting the JAC decide.) QUESTION: Is anyone in favour of adding an alpha-2 identifier for Hawaiian. If I don't get any feedback in favour of this within the next week, I will send out a ballot with a recommendation to vote "no". Best regards, Håvard ------------------------- Håvard Hjulstad mailto:[log in to unmask] Solfallsveien 31 NO-1430 Ås, Norway tel: +47-64944233 & +47-64963684 mob: +47-90145563 http://www.hjulstad.com/havard/ ------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Hedberg Sten Sent: 24. april 2002 15:24 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: New ISO 639-1 identifier ? - Hawaiian On seeing the proposal I made the same general conclusion as Rebecca has expressed so well. So I am mainly in favour of denying. Sten -----Original Message----- From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Rebecca S. Guenther Sent: den 24 april 2002 14:02 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: New ISO 639-1 identifier ? - Hawaiian We go back to the question about the relationship between ISO 639-1 and 639-2. Our principles say: "New codes will no longer be added to ISO 639-1 after the publication of a revised standard unless they are also added to ISO 639-2." "A language code already in ISO 639-2 at the point of freezing ISO 639-1 shall not later be added to ISO 639-1. This is to ensure consistency in usage over time, since users are directed in Internet applications to employ the alpha-3 code when an alpha-2 code for that language is not available." The question is, do we consider the revision of 639-1 published? Certainly it's been ballotted. Is this the point at which we no longer add 639-1 codes? Remember, this is because of the RFC which says that in absence of a 639-1 code, use a 639-2 code. If anyone has used Hawaiian they will have already used the 639-2 code to represent that language. Maybe their programmers are unaware of RFC 3066 which instructs you to use the alpha-3 code if there's no alpha-2 code. Rebecca