On seeing the proposal I made the same general conclusion as Rebecca has
expressed so well. So I am mainly in favour of denying.


-----Original Message-----
From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf
Of Rebecca S. Guenther
Sent: den 24 april 2002 14:02
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New ISO 639-1 identifier ? - Hawaiian

We go back to the question about the relationship between ISO 639-1 and
639-2. Our principles say:

"New codes will no longer be added to ISO 639-1 after the publication of a
revised standard unless they are also added to ISO 639-2." 

"A language code already in ISO 639-2 at the point of freezing ISO 639-1
shall not later be added to ISO 639-1. This is to ensure consistency in
usage over time, since users are directed in Internet applications to
employ the alpha-3 code when an alpha-2 code for that language is not

The question is, do we consider the revision of 639-1 published? Certainly
it's been ballotted. Is this the point at which we no longer add 639-1
codes? Remember, this is because of the RFC which says that in absence of
a 639-1 code, use a 639-2 code. If anyone has used Hawaiian they will have
already used the 639-2 code to represent that language.

Maybe their programmers are unaware of RFC 3066 which instructs you to use
the alpha-3 code if there's no alpha-2 code.


On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, [iso-8859-1] Håvard Hjulstad wrote:

> To members and observers of JAC,
> Below please find a submission for an alpha-2 identifier for Hawaiian
> (alpha-3 identifier is "haw").
> I don't have very much to add to the very thorough submission below. The
> proposal seems to be well documented.
> Had the submission been for an alpha-3 identifier, there would probably
> been any problem. However, will it be in place to assign an alpha-2
> identifier to this language?
> They are requesting "hw", which is available. (Used identifiers starting
> with "h": ha he hi ho hr hu hy hz.)
> I find the last sentence of the submission rather "curious": "We have
> programmers to assist us, and they have found it problematic to get
> for our language with the lack of the alpha 2 code." I will write back to
> the submitter. However, the response to that will be on a different level
> than the decision we need to make.
> Any discussion before we vote?
> Regards,
> Håvard Hjulstad
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:03:54 -0400
> From: WWW generic account <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: New ISO 639-2 code
> This data was submitted on: Friday, April 19, 2002 at 14:03:54
> lang_in_eng = Hawaiian
> lang_in_fre = hawaïen
> ref_where_found_1 = ISO639-2 reference
> lang_in_vern = 'olelo Hawai'i
> ref_where_found_2 = The Hawaiian Dictionary, Revised and Enlarged Edition,
> Dr. Samuel Elbert and Mary Kawena Puku'i
> trans_lit =
> evidence = Hale Kuamo'o is the Hawaiian Language Center for the state of
> Hawai'i. We have several hundred books in print, including specialized
> lists and dictionaries with new terms created for math, science,
> sports and other fields. We also have an archive of nearly 125,000
> pages in the Hawaiian language, and participate in the printing of the "Ka
> Ho'oilina," a new academic journal with modernized versions of older text,
> including scholarly contributions by university professors and native
> speakers of our language.
> addinfo = Estimates vary from 8-12,000 speakers of the language, with the
> number growing dramatically with growing interest in the language.
> is an official language for the state of Hawai'i, legally the equal of
> English, as mandated by the State of Hawai'i constitution. It is
> predominantly spoken in Hawai'i, though there are a handful of speakers
> have moved to the US mainland or abroad.
> request_addition = ISO 639-1 and ISO 639-2
> 2_code_suggestion = hw
> 3_code_suggestion = haw (already exists)
> submit_name = Keola Donaghy
> submit_email = [log in to unmask]
> submit_status = Speaker of language, academic, instructor, Media and
> Telecommunications Director for Hale Kuamo'o, the Hawaiian Language Center
> at the University of Hawai'i at Hilo.
> Please note that we are aware that a 639-2 code does exist, and are
> requesting only a 639-1 code. We have hired programmers to assist us, and
> they have found it problematic to get support for our language with the
> of the alpha 2 code.