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On seeing the proposal I made the same general conclusion as Rebecca has expressed so well. So I am mainly in favour of denying. Sten -----Original Message----- From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Rebecca S. Guenther Sent: den 24 april 2002 14:02 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: New ISO 639-1 identifier ? - Hawaiian We go back to the question about the relationship between ISO 639-1 and 639-2. Our principles say: "New codes will no longer be added to ISO 639-1 after the publication of a revised standard unless they are also added to ISO 639-2." "A language code already in ISO 639-2 at the point of freezing ISO 639-1 shall not later be added to ISO 639-1. This is to ensure consistency in usage over time, since users are directed in Internet applications to employ the alpha-3 code when an alpha-2 code for that language is not available." The question is, do we consider the revision of 639-1 published? Certainly it's been ballotted. Is this the point at which we no longer add 639-1 codes? Remember, this is because of the RFC which says that in absence of a 639-1 code, use a 639-2 code. If anyone has used Hawaiian they will have already used the 639-2 code to represent that language. Maybe their programmers are unaware of RFC 3066 which instructs you to use the alpha-3 code if there's no alpha-2 code. Rebecca On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, [iso-8859-1] Håvard Hjulstad wrote: > To members and observers of JAC, > > Below please find a submission for an alpha-2 identifier for Hawaiian > (alpha-3 identifier is "haw"). > > I don't have very much to add to the very thorough submission below. The > proposal seems to be well documented. > > Had the submission been for an alpha-3 identifier, there would probably not > been any problem. However, will it be in place to assign an alpha-2 > identifier to this language? > > They are requesting "hw", which is available. (Used identifiers starting > with "h": ha he hi ho hr hu hy hz.) > > I find the last sentence of the submission rather "curious": "We have hired > programmers to assist us, and they have found it problematic to get support > for our language with the lack of the alpha 2 code." I will write back to > the submitter. However, the response to that will be on a different level > than the decision we need to make. > > Any discussion before we vote? > > Regards, > Håvard Hjulstad > > ------------------------- > Håvard Hjulstad mailto:[log in to unmask] > Solfallsveien 31 > NO-1430 Ås, Norway > tel: +47-64944233 & +47-64963684 > mob: +47-90145563 > http://www.hjulstad.com/havard/ > ------------------------- > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:03:54 -0400 > From: WWW generic account <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: New ISO 639-2 code > > This data was submitted on: Friday, April 19, 2002 at 14:03:54 > > lang_in_eng = Hawaiian > lang_in_fre = hawaïen > ref_where_found_1 = ISO639-2 reference > lang_in_vern = 'olelo Hawai'i > ref_where_found_2 = The Hawaiian Dictionary, Revised and Enlarged Edition, > Dr. Samuel Elbert and Mary Kawena Puku'i > trans_lit = > evidence = Hale Kuamo'o is the Hawaiian Language Center for the state of > Hawai'i. We have several hundred books in print, including specialized word > lists and dictionaries with new terms created for math, science, technology, > sports and other fields. We also have an archive of nearly 125,000 newpaper > pages in the Hawaiian language, and participate in the printing of the "Ka > Ho'oilina," a new academic journal with modernized versions of older text, > including scholarly contributions by university professors and native > speakers of our language. > addinfo = Estimates vary from 8-12,000 speakers of the language, with the > number growing dramatically with growing interest in the language. Hawaiian > is an official language for the state of Hawai'i, legally the equal of > English, as mandated by the State of Hawai'i constitution. It is > predominantly spoken in Hawai'i, though there are a handful of speakers who > have moved to the US mainland or abroad. > request_addition = ISO 639-1 and ISO 639-2 > 2_code_suggestion = hw > 3_code_suggestion = haw (already exists) > submit_name = Keola Donaghy > submit_email = [log in to unmask] > submit_status = Speaker of language, academic, instructor, Media and > Telecommunications Director for Hale Kuamo'o, the Hawaiian Language Center > at the University of Hawai'i at Hilo. > > Please note that we are aware that a 639-2 code does exist, and are > requesting only a 639-1 code. We have hired programmers to assist us, and > they have found it problematic to get support for our language with the lack > of the alpha 2 code. >