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The proposal has actually been "on the table" of the JAC for a long time. It
was discussed -- and "deferred" -- in February 2000, then with a proposal to
assign alpha-2 and alpha-3 identifiers. The potential alpha-2 identifier is
therefore not "my invention".

In addition: We need to consider all apropriate actions relating to a
proposal. We cannot rely on proposers to know which rules apply for the two
sets of identifiers.

Håvard


-----Original Message-----
From: Rebecca S. Guenther [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 7. oktober 2002 19:19
To: Håvard Hjulstad
Cc: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New proposal: Aragonese - Discussion until 18 October


If neither of the submitters has requested an alpha-2 code, should we be
considering it?

Rebecca

On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, [iso-8859-1] Håvard Hjulstad wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> We have received two submissions for the same language:
>
> (1)
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> This data was submitted on: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 15:22:46
>
> lang_in_eng_change = ARAGONESE
> lang_in_fre_change = ARAGONESE
> iso_639_2_b = roa
> iso_639_2_t = roa
> change_requested = The code roa is classified in ISO 639 as a
> collective language code. It encompasses all the related languages that
> comprise the members of a single genetic subgroup (excluding those that
> have a more specific code).
>
> The Aragonese is a language, spoken for very people in Aragon, and have
> very web in Internet.We need a more specific code.
>
> We'd Like The Code for aragonese language  - ARG -
>
> Thanks.
>
> submit_name = Rafa
> submit_email = [log in to unmask]
> submit_status = Speaker of language.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
> (2)
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> This data was submitted on: Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 04:47:03
>
> lang_in_eng = Aragonese
> lang_in_fre = Aragonais
> ref_where_found_1 = http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=AXX
> lang_in_vern = Aragonés
> ref_where_found_2 = http://orbita.starmedia.com/~prexinallo/biblind.html
> trans_lit =
> evidence = The ISBN agency in Spain has registered the publication of
about
> 200 books in the last years:
>
http://www.mcu.es/cgi-bin/BRSCGI3701?CMD=VERLST&CONF=AEISPA.cnf&BASE=ISBN&DO
>
CS=1-189&SORT=-T353:4&EXPBUS=((DISPONIBLE%20OR%20AGOTADO)).WDIS.%20%26%20(AR
>
AGONES).WLEN.&QUERY=((DISPONIBLE%20OR%20AGOTADO)).WDIS.%20%26%20(ARAGONES).W
> LEN.
> addinfo = About 12,000 active speakers, and about 40,000 passive speakers.
> Protected language in Aragon, officially teached in some areas.
> It's spoken on the northern areas of Aragon (Spain).
>
> There is an introduction to the history of the language in Wikipedia:
> http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragonese_language
>
> SIL code is AXX (http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=AXX)
> request_addition = ISO 639-2 only
> 2_code_suggestion =
> 3_code_suggestion = AXX
> submit_name = Enrique Matías Sánchez
> submit_email = [log in to unmask]
> submit_status = Passive speaker of language.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
> The language has been on the table of JAC once before. It was on the list
of
> possible additions to ISO 639-1, and it was (briefly) discussed in
February
> 2000. It was at that time "deferred", both for alpha-2 and alpha-3
> identifier.
>
> The language currently is encoded under the group "roa" (Romance (other)).
>
> Ethnologue lists Aragonese as an individual language (identifier AXX).
(See
> http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=AXX.)
>
> Linguasphere classifies the language as 51-AAA-db.
>
> There seems to be little doubt that the correct English name is
"Aragonese",
> French is "aragonais", indigenous is "aragonés".
>
> There also seems to be sufficient evidence of more than 50 documents.
>
> As to identifiers:
> Ethnologue identifier is "AXX"; one of the submissions suggest "ARG"; the
> original proposal for alpha-2 identifier was "an". All these identifiers
are
> available. If we should decide that an alpha-2 identifier is called for,
it
> should be noted that "ar" is taken, but that "ag" is available. The
> identifier "ARG" is used by Ethnologue for a different language.
> We should at this point try not to add new "conflicts" with Ethnologue
> (given the development of "Part 3" of ISO 639). All "sensible" alpha-3
> combinations starting with AR, AA, AG, AO, AN, AE, AS are taken in
> Ethnologue.
>
> There may not be a need for a lengthy discussion on this item. Unless the
> discussion seems to be going high at the time, I would suggest that we
plan
> to end the discussion on 18 October (two weeks from tomorrow). I have
> requested from the submitters any relevant information to evaluate whether
> an alpha-2 identifier is called for.
>
> Best regards,
> Håvard
>
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