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I can only recommend the Disc Doctor cleaner. I am not sure what is "priced out of this world" but this stuff do the trick. Any cleaner containing alcohol will damage older discs (a-la all 78rpms) dissolving the shellac and this is very important if you deal with albums not made from vinyl/plastic. The Disc Doctor do not contain agents that would harm your record collection or skin. http://discdoc.com/ Joav Shdema Producer / Engineer ________________________________ Joav Shdema Inc. Sound Production / Restoration http://www.joavshdema.com ----- Original Message ----- From: gary To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:45 AM Subject: arsclist HELP with cleaners for vinyl records I have a record cleaning machine for my vinyl collection, but I need to get some more cleaner to use with it. When I bought the machine, it came with one small bottle of cleaner. I also bought a bottle of concentrate that I added to a gallon of distilled water. After sitting around for years, that mixture got kinda funky so I threw it away. It's time to get something new. I shopped around for commercial cleaners, but all the ones I found are priced out of this world. I did some research on the subject online. I think this is the solution I want to make: 75 ml distilled water 25 ml Isopropyl alcohol (make sure there are no additives, like Lanolin) .5 ml wetting agent (Kodak Photo flow, Triton X-114 or X-100) ... but instead of Triton X-114 or X-100 which are suppose to be nasty things that can cause health problems, I hope to use Triton(tm) XL-80N surfactant from Dow Chemical which is suppose to be safe. I went to Dow's web page and requested a sample a couple weeks ago. The only thing I received from them was a specification in the form of a .pdf document. Any thoughts/comments on the subject? Does anyone know I can buy a small quantity of Triton(tm) XL-80N surfactant. thanks Gary .com