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Bruce, I haven't had time to absorb all your comments, and I would like to. Since my background is in traditional library authority control, the MADS schema makes sense to me, but I would welcome some alternative vision. As I look at your suggested structure-- So, structure might be: person names primary given family variant given family roles roleTerm temporaral birth death place address etc. it occurs to me that what you are outlining is a bit of a biography. The person, the various forms of name, roles, dates, etc. In fact--at least to catalogers--authority records are not so much biographies as records of a standardized and unique form of heading. That heading may, depending on the circumstances, integrate name, dates and/or role. When you deconstruct the heading into the biography, you make the record pretty much useless as an authority record. It might be of interest to a metadata creator to know that a person was born in 1934 and was a doctor of physics as well as an author, but it wouldn't help her know how to construct a unique heading. That said, maybe the concept of uniqueness of headings isn't as critical in an online environment. Anyway, you gave me something to think about. Would it be too much to ask you to "redo" one of the sample MADS records at the MADS web site, in a way that makes sense to you. I would find it interesting. Ruth Ruth A. Bogan Head, Database and Catalog Portal Management Section Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey 47 Davidson Road, Busch Campus Piscataway, NJ 08854-5603 Ph.: 732-445-5906 Fax: 732-445-5888 Email: [log in to unmask]