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There has been a lot of critical thinking about what we need now versus what we needed in the past for authority control. Some forthcoming examples: there will soon be a special issue of CCQ devoted to last year's international conference on authority control; and also soon to appear will be a follow-on conceptual model of FRBR extended to authority control that will be out for worldwide review shortly. I welcome the suggestion of new models for the data that we include and the uses we make of authority data, especially those that move us to more flexible models, while retaining the control that enhances the precision of searches in very large files. That control does not require a single authorized form that everyone uses (however, a form governed by cataloging rules remains very useful as a default), but enables users to choose among the variant forms the one preferred for their purpose. I've spoken and written for several years about the concepts of a virtual international authority file. One use is for international displays to let the user decide the language/script they want to prefer, while enabling the clustering/linking of variant forms to enhace the precision of searches. Other possibilities are to provide links/navigation to resources by or about the entity identified by the authority data (links to authoritative biographical references, links to bibliographic databases for works by/about the person or corporate body or family or on a particular subject (concept, event, place, time, object)). There are many possibilities, and I'd love to see MADS enable more than we can do with MARC. - Barbara Tillett Dr. Barbara B. Tillett, Ph.D. Chief, Cataloging Policy and Support Office Library of Congress 101 Independence Ave., S.E. Washington, D.C. 20540-4305 U.S.A. tel.: +1 (202) 707-4714 fax: +1 (202) 707-6629 email: [log in to unmask] >>> [log in to unmask] 6/10/2004 12:41:11 PM >>> Please forgive me for wading in where I no doubt do not belong, not being a cataloger, but I wonder if we aren't sometimes allowing our current structures and systems to dictate those of the future, which I think is a potentially dangerous and damaging enterprise. Is the concept of a "heading" as a fixed data element still valid? That is, isn't the real purpose of an authority heading to specify a unique organization or individual for the purposes of record retrieval and display? Doesn't the structure below provide a method to encode enough information on a person to perform that function? If so, can't a database entry for indexing or display be constructed either in batch mode or on-the-fly by using specific rules for parsing the structure below? Whether this is good enough or not, I think we would do well to reconsider virtually all of the things we now take for granted in light of new technologies and opportunities. If it turns out that we can't live without the concept of a "heading" as a fixed data element, then so be it. But at least we would have considered the alternatives and thought critically about what we need _now_ rather than simply what we've needed in the _past_. Roy On Jun 10, 2004, at 9:26 AM, Ruth Bogan wrote: > Bruce, > > I haven't had time to absorb all your comments, and I would like to. > Since > my background is in traditional library authority control, the MADS > schema > makes sense to me, but I would welcome some alternative vision. > > As I look at your suggested structure-- > > So, structure might be: > > person > names > primary > given > family > variant > given > family > roles > roleTerm > temporaral > birth > death > place > address > > etc. > > it occurs to me that what you are outlining is a bit of a biography. > The > person, the various forms of name, roles, dates, etc. In fact--at > least to > catalogers--authority records are not so much biographies as records > of a > standardized and unique form of heading. That heading may, depending > on the > circumstances, integrate name, dates and/or role. When you deconstruct > the > heading into the biography, you make the record pretty much useless as > an > authority record. It might be of interest to a metadata creator to > know that > a person was born in 1934 and was a doctor of physics as well as an > author, > but it wouldn't help her know how to construct a unique heading. > > That said, maybe the concept of uniqueness of headings isn't as > critical in > an online environment. Anyway, you gave me something to think about. > > Would it be too much to ask you to "redo" one of the sample MADS > records at > the MADS web site, in a way that makes sense to you. I would find it > interesting. > > Ruth > > Ruth A. Bogan > Head, Database and Catalog Portal Management Section > Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey > 47 Davidson Road, Busch Campus > Piscataway, NJ 08854-5603 > Ph.: 732-445-5906 > Fax: 732-445-5888 > Email: [log in to unmask] >