At 11/24/2004 06:22 AM, Karl Miller wrote: >While the costs of paying the Union fees would make such a release financial >disaster for any label, you can't even pay them any part of the >net...assuming you have anything to pay them. In another life, I'm a cider maker, and I get apples from Washington State University's experimental cider orchard. The Research Center does not charge me for the apples, but I make a separate annual contribution to WSU's School of Agriculture equal to the wholesale value of the fruit. Is there any reason why you can't make a separate donation to the NY Philharmonic that is not a quid pro quo payment? John Ross Northwest Folklife