Actually, I think there is an earlier one, from 1906, if memory serves, with
the same agregation.  I'm not where I can check right now.

The segment from the Act 3 Prelude to Freischuetz turns up a horn quartet
segment on a number of acoustics.

Most interesting to me are the early hunting horn ensembles from the
1900-1910 period, French and Germanic-czech, etc.  I have some on Pathe.
Most sound like they were included in or omitted from the St. Hubertus Mass.

I have a theory...  We should talk about this sometime- Vancouver?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Hirsch" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Looking for recording date (plus discographical

>I certainly wasn't disputing the logic that Columbia could and did
> consider men's choruses singing in German "ethnic" even when the the
> group was based in New York City and singing classical (as opposed to
> traditional) compositions. I just found it interesting and quaint that
> an attitude of several decades ago has shifted so markedly. In any case,
> you were quite right about it being "ethnic". Spottswood's book (Vol. 1)
> lists it and gives a recording date of ca. March 1926. This recording is
> of interest to me because of the notation "Mit Waldhorn Quartette". I
> have spent a lot of time tracking down historic recordings of the horn
> and this is one of the few that I have that predate Aubrey Brain and Max
> Zimmolong's pre-WWII recordings of Mozart concerti by a considerable
> margin. There is an Edison Amberol recording (478, Blue Amberol 2444) of
> Gustave F. Heim, trumpet player in the Boston Symphony around the turn
> of the twentieth century, playing a cornet solo "Die Post" with a
> quartet of hornists from the BSO that was recorded in New York Feb. 26,
> 1910 (Koenigsberg says Feb. 10). This recording has been my holy grail
> and my quest has not been fruitful to date; if anyone out there knows of
> a playable copy for sale or otherwise accessible, I'd love to know.
> There is a beautiful publicity photo of the group in the July 1910
> Edison Phonograph Monthly, for anyone interested further.
> Regards,
> Peter Hirsch
> Steven C. Barr wrote:
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Peter Hirsch" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Steven C. Barr wrote:
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Peter Hirsch" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>Steven Smolian wrote:
>>>>>>Can you supply the matrix numbers?  Some records in this series are in
>>>>>>Columbia's dubing maxtrix number series, made years after the
>>>>>>and can be misleading.
>>>>>>Check Spottswood's Ethnic Music on Records.
>>>>>I believe the matrix number on one side (I don't have it in front of me
>>>>>at the moment, but I did scrawl something on a piece of paper) is
>>>>>205298. Does that sound like a kosher matrix number for a Columbia 78?
>>>>Possibly, for a 12" ethnic 78; the 10" matrix series had reached
>>>>113xxx by 1934, and the 20xxxx may have been the related 12" series.
>>>Thanks. I find it somewhat unlikely that Mendelssohn partsongs would be
>>>considered "ethnic", but I wouldn't be surprised if that is what they
>>>were considered for marketing purposes way back when. I'll try to look
>>>at the Spottswood book next chance I get to see if it helps date the
>>Well, the criterion for calling something "ethnic" is which demographic
>>label expected a disc to appeal to...and this was a German-oriented group
>>doing a work titled in German, so they probably figured German speakers
>>were most likely to buy it...