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Actually, I think there is an earlier one, from 1906, if memory serves, with the same agregation. I'm not where I can check right now. The segment from the Act 3 Prelude to Freischuetz turns up a horn quartet segment on a number of acoustics. Most interesting to me are the early hunting horn ensembles from the 1900-1910 period, French and Germanic-czech, etc. I have some on Pathe. Most sound like they were included in or omitted from the St. Hubertus Mass. I have a theory... We should talk about this sometime- Vancouver? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Hirsch" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Looking for recording date (plus discographical digression) >I certainly wasn't disputing the logic that Columbia could and did > consider men's choruses singing in German "ethnic" even when the the > group was based in New York City and singing classical (as opposed to > traditional) compositions. I just found it interesting and quaint that > an attitude of several decades ago has shifted so markedly. In any case, > you were quite right about it being "ethnic". Spottswood's book (Vol. 1) > lists it and gives a recording date of ca. March 1926. This recording is > of interest to me because of the notation "Mit Waldhorn Quartette". I > have spent a lot of time tracking down historic recordings of the horn > and this is one of the few that I have that predate Aubrey Brain and Max > Zimmolong's pre-WWII recordings of Mozart concerti by a considerable > margin. There is an Edison Amberol recording (478, Blue Amberol 2444) of > Gustave F. Heim, trumpet player in the Boston Symphony around the turn > of the twentieth century, playing a cornet solo "Die Post" with a > quartet of hornists from the BSO that was recorded in New York Feb. 26, > 1910 (Koenigsberg says Feb. 10). This recording has been my holy grail > and my quest has not been fruitful to date; if anyone out there knows of > a playable copy for sale or otherwise accessible, I'd love to know. > There is a beautiful publicity photo of the group in the July 1910 > Edison Phonograph Monthly, for anyone interested further. > > Regards, > > Peter Hirsch > > Steven C. Barr wrote: > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Peter Hirsch" <[log in to unmask]> >> >> >>>Steven C. Barr wrote: >>> >>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Peter Hirsch" <[log in to unmask]> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Steven Smolian wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Can you supply the matrix numbers? Some records in this series are in >>>>>>Columbia's dubing maxtrix number series, made years after the >>>>>>original, >>>>>>and can be misleading. >>>>>>Check Spottswood's Ethnic Music on Records. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>I believe the matrix number on one side (I don't have it in front of me >>>>>at the moment, but I did scrawl something on a piece of paper) is >>>>>205298. Does that sound like a kosher matrix number for a Columbia 78? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Possibly, for a 12" ethnic 78; the 10" matrix series had reached >>>>113xxx by 1934, and the 20xxxx may have been the related 12" series. >>>>...stevenc >>>> >>>> >>>Thanks. I find it somewhat unlikely that Mendelssohn partsongs would be >>>considered "ethnic", but I wouldn't be surprised if that is what they >>>were considered for marketing purposes way back when. I'll try to look >>>at the Spottswood book next chance I get to see if it helps date the >>>disc. >>> >>> >>Well, the criterion for calling something "ethnic" is which demographic >>the >>label expected a disc to appeal to...and this was a German-oriented group >>doing a work titled in German, so they probably figured German speakers >>were most likely to buy it... >>...stevenc >>http://users.interlinks.net/stevenc/ >> >> >> >> >