Hard drives life span range is reasonable. Not sure about flash drives. However, those CD and DVD numbers seem to be off. The only longevity prediction study out there is the one by Kodak, where the gold metal layer/phthalocyanine discs showed excellent longevity (greater than 100 years). I believe good quality CD-R discs with gold metal layer and phthalocyanine dye would result in that kind of longevity. Other dye/metal layer combinations will have much less longevity and cheapies possibly failing within 5 years. All things being equal of course, recording quality, etc. DVD-Rs because they don't use phthalocyanine dye or gold metal layer would have a shorter predicted lifetime that "gold" CD-Rs. I have performed single temperature/RH aging on a wide variety of CDs, CD-Rs, CD-RWs, DVDs, DVD-Rs, DVD-RWs. This type of study does not provide estimates of longevity values, but does compare relative stabilities of the media. A paper will be published soon with detailed results and so I will not go into too much detail here. The study did show CD-RW and DVD-RW stabilities well below CD-R (gold metal layer, phthalocyanine dye) stabilty. I would not recommend erasable media for longevity. Most of the longevity numbers presented in the literature, magazines, have no scientific data to support them. Joe Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask] OM> To Sent by: [log in to unmask] Association for cc Recorded Sound Discussion List Subject <[log in to unmask] [ARSCLIST] Audio storage > 23/02/2005 11:33 PM Please respond to Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <[log in to unmask] > The March, 2005 issue of Popular Science has a list on page 74: "Archival Life. These are estimated life spans of standard storage media. To be safe, transfer your data to new media every few years. CD/DVD+/-R 2-15 years CD/DVD+/-RW 25-30 years Hard drives 3-6 years Flash drives 10 years" Without accepting this as gospel but allowing it to provide a sense of proprtion, the choice among the options they mention seems clear- and that is bypassing issues concerning how the CD-RW is made and what it is made of. I think it fair to state that the consensus here is that external, single unit storage on an inactive hard drive is poor archival strategy. Experience has shown that, when faced with limited funds, adminstrators usually choose to save new data rather than transfer old data. Preservation through migration requires an inexpensive medium using a minimum of inexpert labor. A number of simultaneous alternate possibilities have been raised. Many on this list are more knowledgeable than I about these other devices and encloding methods. I, for one, would be quite interested in explainations of what they are, with a minumum of jargon and with definititions of any acronyms. I would welcome a sense of the costs of each, advantages and disadvantages, and informed guesses as to the direction of future cost by those with experience using these options. An essential facet is data concerning standards relating to each to avoid future decoding nightmares. Steve Smolian No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 2/22/2005