There can't be enough markup to generate a citation in arbitrary format, because a sadistic editor can always dream up a new format :) Sadistic editors aside, the existing markup is sufficient for citation in common cases if: (1) names are coded in natural order and (2) abbreviated forms include all spacing and punctuation. Rationales: (1) inverted order is easily obtained from natural order but not the other way round, e.g. Bob von Smith => Smith, Bob von Bob Smith, Jr. => Smith, Bob Jr. So the inverted order (last, first termsOfAddress) is ambiguous with respect to natural order. (2) All the variant citation forms I'm familiar with can be derived by simple string processing, removing space or punctuation as needed. This is easier than adding space or punctuation. B. B. Smith => B.B. Smith (strip space) => B B Smith (strip punctuation) => BB Smith (strip both) --Andy >>> [log in to unmask] 02/21/05 11:53 AM >>> This is fundamentally different from the intent to mark up all the known facts about a given name in sufficient detail to be able to generate multiple variants of that name to order, e.g., to fit the needs of a particular publication's style rules. The mark up already found in MARC21 bib and authority records is actually more than is really needed for authority purposes. It's less than would be needed for generating multiple citation forms (Bruce D'Arcus' point); but that's not its intent. Or is it? So my question is, does MADS need coding to support both purposes? Or does a name record designed to support the generation of citation forms fundamentally differ from one used for authority control, and require its own schema? Stephen