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Further to my message earlier today about the UKMARC language codes,
Ulster Scots was NOT on the list of the languages that the British Library
felt was needed for harmonization with MARC 21. I have contacted our
representative there to ask about Ulster Scots and will let you all know
when I hear back.

Rebecca

On Tue, 28 Jun 2005, John Clews wrote:

> In reply to Peter's crucial questions:
>
> >> From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > Behalf Of John
> >> Clews
> >
> >
> >> Indeed I know all this. But the situation is rather like the Bosanski
> >> language at the beginning, and it has official status, and it will
> >> continue to have oficial status.
> >
> > I knew that Ullans had been given status as a recognized minority
> > language under the terms of the relevant EU policy (I forget the details
> > at the moment). But is it contrasted with Lallans either linguistictly
> > or in terms of official status?
>
>
> Both Ullans and Lallans have official status in Northern Ireland and
> Scotland respectively, but I have seen no indication that they are
> interchangeable.
>
> In fact Ulster Scots (Ullans) has more official status, I believe,
> following the Northern Ireland Agreement.
>
> >> could be equally applied to Scots (Lowland Scots, or Lallans) which
> > does
> >> have a code in ISO 639-1 and ISO 639-2.
> >
> > Well, this is the question: does "sco" denote just Lallans, or both
> > Lallans and Ullans? For purposes of development of 639-3, I have thus
> > far assumed "sco" encompasses both -- that this is a dialect
> > distinction, not a language distinction. (That's the current analysis in
> > Ethnologue and Linguasphere.)
>
> The code "sco" has always been interpreted just to mean Scots in Scotland.
>
> Ukster Scots has definitely not been included in that.
>
> >> NB - JAC: Please give consideration to this for an ISO 639-2 tag.
> >>
> >> NB - JAC: Please also give consideration to this for an ISO 639-3 tag.
> >
> > I think I would need further information demonstrating a need for
> > contrast between Ullans and other Scots varieties.
>
> Try googling, also the ULLANS-L list archives, and I assume there is
> probably an equivalent list or lists for Lallans.
>
> There are certainly numerous sites for each.
>
> John
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > Peter Constable
> >
>