I would also commend Mark Butler's "Is the Semantic Web hype?" I am glad that he has updated his slides since I read it a while back while wrestling with the whole RDF vs XML question. I wrote up my thoughts on my wiki: http://raymondyee.net/wiki/FiguringOutRdf I was specifically wrestling with the question of whether RDF would help solve the problem of interoperating among metadata specifications. For instance, if I need to convert among between DC, MODS, and Amazon metadata; among METS, IMS Content Packaging and MPEG 21-2; between Microsoft Office 2003 XML and OpenOffice.org XML, where can I use RDF? At that time I came up with the following conclusions: 1. RDF is promising technology in spite of all the confusing hype around it. <http://raymondyee.net/wiki/FiguringOutRdf#head-7a56a0c9acfc4cf03e13f3d42abe4217a2a7680d> 2. RDF is not a monolithic topic. RDF can be used independently of the Semantic Web. RDF is not inherently tied to XML. <http://raymondyee.net/wiki/FiguringOutRdf#head-0b12fac5b2d167a2e309ef6b17022db0411b4abd> 3. The RDF triple concept is a simple, elegant, and seemingly powerful one at its heart. <http://raymondyee.net/wiki/FiguringOutRdf#head-14d3f31f28ce1e85ec8d227e6361260ba4c5156a> 4. RDF/XML is obscure to the uninitiated and makes it easy to confuse the relationship between RDF and XML. <http://raymondyee.net/wiki/FiguringOutRdf#head-5cbbccb786f28dc66d0366af41434ebda5b66461> 5. RDF Tools help a lot to make RDF understandable -- and usable. <http://raymondyee.net/wiki/FiguringOutRdf#head-1c355d238224023dbda1ec0cf69b9d97672d151e> 6. RSS 1.0 is a good place to start with RDF. <http://raymondyee.net/wiki/FiguringOutRdf#head-3b377cadb83e0a1ba967b1ae8ef300f506b915bf> 7. Non-hype filled assessments of RDF and the somewhat related Semantic Web are hard to find. <http://raymondyee.net/wiki/FiguringOutRdf#head-9e9164817176abc8dc33a178896a3d3ead22a053> 8. Blending RDF vocabularies is probably easier than blending XML vocabularies but it's not magic either! Some human must do the mapping of meanings between vocabularies. <http://raymondyee.net/wiki/FiguringOutRdf#head-cc9ba9e4afc73ded97df0ff2b284b80fb313c41c> 9. Too much abstraction and confusion might kill off RDF. <http://raymondyee.net/wiki/FiguringOutRdf#head-e91e319f33670a5bebb83775ed97ecc0d7423b53> Not having taken a closer look since that time, I don't know whether I'd stand by those conclusions today. I suspect that I would. Bruce, have you tried the Piggy Bank 2 Firefox plugin-in? I think that I will take a look at this time and suspect that it's a nice place to get into both RDF and Firefox. -Raymond Bruce D'Arcus wrote: >On 7/9/05, Houghton,Andrew <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > >>There is an excellent presentation "Is the Semantic Web hype?" (7 March 2005) by Dr. Mark H. Butler of HP Labs Bristol Digital Media Systems Department. >> >> > >[...] > >Their conclusion is that RDF and XML are complementary technologies >(though they're seeing XML as a source for RDF, via XSLT). > >Anyone that wants to play with an application of this (from SIMILE) >should install the Piggy Bank 2 Firefox plug-in. They use a >combination of XSLT and Javascript to massage web data into RDF, and >then from there to do some magic with it. > > -- -- Raymond Yee 2195 Hearst (250-22) Technology Architect UC Berkeley Interactive University Project Berkeley, CA 94720-3810 [log in to unmask] 510-642-0476 (work) http://iu.berkeley.edu/rdhyee 413-541-5683 (fax)