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As to Haydn's ornaments, ahhh, but we do. His musical clock pieces were pinned according to the performance practice of the time. I was perpherally involved in the preparation of the volume devoted to these pieces in the Haydn Gesamtausgabe with (senior moment) who edited it. Steve Smolian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Miller" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] The waltz (was Which U.S. orchestra recorded first and Arthur Fiedler) > On Wed, 29 Mar 2006, Steven Smolian wrote: > >> After all, true rhythm is seldom accurately >> reflected in music notation. > > While I am in total agreement with you, I believe that many musicians > today would disagree, which is probably why I find performances today to > be so dull...another reason why I value those old performances. > > I am reminded of one critic who, when reviewing my release of the Scriabin > rolls, took objection to rhythmic liberties Scriabin took with his own > music! > >> In addition, much is taken for granted. Has anyone seen sheet music for >> rock that has a hard accent over the second beat? > > Your statement reminded me of something one of my musicology professors > once said. We were discussing jazz charts at the time. My teacher stated, > "can you see it...think of some musicologist in the year 3,000. They > discover one of these charts. All of the recordings were lost in a huge > magnetic storm. One musicological paper after another is written to try to > determine how those sections marked 'ad lib' were performed. Reputations > are made and lost over the controversy...and in reality, they were rarely > done the same way twice." In a seminar the next semester, one of my > assignments was to find out how the "Haydn ornament" was to be performed. > I spent about an hour or so, every day for 3 months and couldn't find the > answer. I went back to my professor and asked him the answer. He said he > didn't know and had been spending a bit of his own time for the last five > years trying to find out the answer. Too bad we didn't have recordings > back in the time of Haydn. > > Karl > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.3/296 - Release Date: 3/29/2006 >