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As to Haydn's ornaments, ahhh, but we do.  His musical clock pieces were 
pinned according to the performance practice of the time. I was perpherally 
involved in the preparation of the volume devoted to these pieces in the 
Haydn Gesamtausgabe with (senior moment) who edited it.

Steve Smolian

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From: "Karl Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] The waltz (was Which U.S. orchestra recorded first 
and Arthur Fiedler)


> On Wed, 29 Mar 2006, Steven Smolian wrote:
>
>> After all, true rhythm is seldom accurately
>> reflected in music notation.
>
> While I am in total agreement with you, I believe that many musicians
> today would disagree, which is probably why I find performances today to
> be so dull...another reason why I value those old performances.
>
> I am reminded of one critic who, when reviewing my release of the Scriabin
> rolls, took objection to rhythmic liberties Scriabin took with his own
> music!
>
>> In addition, much is taken for granted.  Has anyone seen sheet music for
>> rock that has a hard accent over the second beat?
>
> Your statement reminded me of something one of my musicology professors
> once said. We were discussing jazz charts at the time. My teacher stated,
> "can you see it...think of some musicologist in the year 3,000. They
> discover one of these charts. All of the recordings were lost in a huge
> magnetic storm. One musicological paper after another is written to try to
> determine how those sections marked 'ad lib' were performed. Reputations
> are made and lost over the controversy...and in reality, they were rarely
> done the same way twice." In a seminar the next semester, one of my
> assignments was to find out how the "Haydn ornament" was to be performed.
> I spent about an hour or so, every day for 3 months and couldn't find the
> answer. I went back to my professor and asked him the answer. He said he
> didn't know and had been spending a bit of his own time for the last five
> years trying to find out the answer. Too bad we didn't have recordings
> back in the time of Haydn.
>
> Karl
>
>
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