(As you will
understand, I am trying to "clean up" outstanding JAC
We had during the
autumn of 2004 a ballot on "Hindustani". Enclosed is the initiation of the first
discussion. Below is the ballot form with some additional
The ballot was not
unanimous, and the item was not resolved. We should therefore take a new round
of discussion before submitting a second ballot.
(until 14 April).
****** FIRST BALLOT
JAC ballot 2004-09 - Hindustani
Please vote by 2004-10-22
Please see additional information
___ I am in favour of including Hindustani
in the alpha-3 code table of ISO 639-2.
___ I am opposed to including Hindustani in the
alpha-3 code table of ISO 639-2.
___ I accept the identifier
___ I do not accept the identifier
___ I accept the English name
___ I do not accept the English name
___ I accept the French name
___ I do not accept the French name
___ I accept the indigenous name
___ I do not accept the indigenous name
(D) General comments:
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This data was submitted on: Wednesday, May 5, 2004
lang_in_eng = Hindustani
ref_where_found_1 = Rashtriya Sahitya Akademi, India lang_in_vern
= Hindustani ref_where_found_2 = Rashtriya Sahitya Akademi, India trans_lit =
evidence = Rashtriya Sahitya Akademi, India (60-100)
addinfo = About
40-50 % of speakers of the Hindi language actually speak Hindustani. The
Government of India does not officially recognise it but this is the language
from which Hindi and Urdu evolved. All over India(mainly northern parts) and
Pakistan request_addition = ISO 639-1 and ISO 639-2 2_code_suggestion = hn
3_code_suggestion = hnd submit_name = Arjun Aggarwal submit_email = [log in to unmask] submit_status =
Speaker of the language and this is my first language.
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This has been discussed on the JAC email
Although "Hindustani" is normally thought to be the
"superset" of Hindi, Urdu, and other variants, the statement in the submission
"About 40-50 % of speakers of the Hindi language actually speak Hindustani" is
Still, the issue is probably whether a
"macro-language" or "language group" identifier for Hindustani is needed in Part
2. Alternatively, the item may be encoded in the future Part 5.
An alpha-2 identifier is proposed. The proposed
identifier "hn" is available. However, there doesn't seem to be evidence to
support the assignment of an alpha-2 identifier, an this is not balloted
The proposed alpha-3 identifier (hnd) is taken by a
different item in 639-3. This ballot proposes "hiu", which is
DURING BALLOTING ******
Christian Galinski: I am pleased that - at least
for the time being - no alpha-2 identifier is proposed.
Anila Angjeli: The
name for the language in French is "hindoustani". The name "hindustani" in
French is used to designate the hindustani music.
Peter Constable: I would
like additional information explaining the relationship between Hindustani,
Hindi and Urdu. In particular, we need information that will allow us to
determine whether Hindustani should be considered a macrolanguage encompassing
Hindi and Urdu. Identifier and names would be acceptable if and when we approve