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I think it doesn't hurt to get input, but I agree with you and Michael: we need clear evidence that this is a distinct language; at this point, we have multiple sources stating the opposite. I also agree with Christian: if there is sufficient evidence, we code alpha-3, but we will not code alpha-2. Peter > -----Original Message----- > From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of > Milicent K Wewerka > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 5:37 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: ISO 639 proposal - Mahl - discussion > > I noticed that the original submission listed most of the documents as held in a library > in the Maldives. That is interesting. The name of the library director was given. > Would it be worthwhile to consult with him to determine whether the library views > these documents as written in a different language? > > The first document source, the Central Institute of Indian Languages, apparently > considers Mahl to be a dialect of Divehi, since the submitter had to indicate that he > did not agree with this information. The Institute is an Indian governmental agency, > which would seem to indicate that the government of India does not recognize a > separate Mahl language. > > Unless there is VERY strong evidence that this is a separate language, I think it should > be considered a dialect of Divehi. > > Milicent Wewerka, Library of Congress > > > >>> [log in to unmask] 03/28/06 3:22 AM >>> > Forwarded message from the original submitter. > > Håvard > > ________________________________ > > From: Iyaaz J Naseem [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 7:30 AM > To: Håvard Hjulstad > Subject: Re: ISO 639 proposal - Mahl - discussion > > > Greetings, > > Though Mahl was listed as a variant name for Maldivian before, Mahl is a separate > language linguistically and politically. So we as native speakers request to both alpha- > 2 and alpha-3 identifier for Mahl. > > And since our language Mahl has got no codes yet, we face a lot of difficulties > especially in the field of IT. > > If the proposed alpha-3 identifier "mah" is not available, You can decide an identifier. > I suggest "mhl" as alpha-3 identifier. And The alpha-2 identifier would be "ma" since it > is available as you have mentioned below. > > =========== > Iyaaz J Naseem > > > > > On 3/24/06, Håvard Hjulstad <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Dear JAC members, > > We have received the proposal to include both alpha-2 and alpha-3 identifier > for Mahl. Please see the original proposal below. > > Ethnologue and ISO 639-3 lists Mahl as a variant name for Maldivian (identifier > "div"). > > The Linguasphere Registry lists "mahl" as a variant name for "dhivehi" (59- > ABA-aa) (= "Maldivian"). > > As to identifiers: The alpha-2 "ma" is available, in case we should decide to > include Mahl in the alpha-2 table. The proposed alpha-3 identifier "mah" is not > available. There are in fact very few free identifiers starting with m, and no obvious > one at all. If we want to assign an identifier starting with m, I suggest "muf" (simply > because all better choices are already taken). > > Discussion please (until 14 April). > > Best regards, > Håvard Hjulstad > > (PS: This message has been copied to the proposer for information. He will not > be able to submit to the email list. Should he wish to add any information, he may do > so directly to me, and I shall forward it to the list.) > > > *************** ORIGINAL SUBMISSION ********** > > Regarding documents in the Mahl language. And the name of the institution > and the number of documents at each. > > 1. in Central Institute of Indian Langguages (has atleast 3 documents). > (please refer) > --> http://www.ciil.org/publication/All%20Publications/Video.htm > <http://www.ciil.org/publication/All%20Publications/Video.htm> > --> http://www.ciil.org/Prog05-06/Prog05-06.htm > <http://www.ciil.org/Prog05-06/Prog05-06.htm> > > 2. Mahl Unit Press Minicoy (Text books in Mahl for I to IV standards) Number of > Documents N/A > (please refer) > ---> http://lakshadweep.nic.in/depts/press/unit_presses.htm > <http://lakshadweep.nic.in/depts/press/unit_presses.htm> > > 3. Inaa-ee Library, Feridhoo, North Ari Atoll, MALDIVES (has 39 Text Books, 1 > daily news paper, 17 Essay books, 2 poetry books and 1 book on religion) > ----> email: Inaa-ee Library < [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > of the Director, Mr. Saud Abdel > Kareem. > > 4. Bada Village Library, Minicoy, Lakshadweep, INDIA (Text books and > newspapers) Number of Documents N/A > > Correction: > > ============= > > lang_in_eng = Mahl > > lang_in_fre = > > ref_where_found_1 = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahl_language > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahl_language> > > lang_in_vern = Maliku bas > > ref_where_found_2 = http://www.mathaaran.net > <http://www.mathaaran.net/> > > trans_lit = > > evidence = Central Institute of Indian Langguages > > addinfo = 300,000 in Minicoy, India and Maldives incorrect. > > addinfo = 9495 in Minicoy island, Lakshadweep, INDIA. (Correct) > > request_addition = ISO 639-1 and ISO 639-2 > > 2_code_suggestion = ma > > 3_code_suggestion = mah > > submit_name = Iyaaz J Naseem > > submit_email = [log in to unmask] > > submit_status = Native speaker of the language