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There was a complication regarding this one: as Millicent reported, it sounds like he wants an identifier for a macro-language entity. I'd like to know what the basis is for positing a macro-language: in what contexts are dlq and kiu deemed and treated like a single language?



> -----Original Message-----
> From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of Rebecca S. Guenther
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:22 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: New ISO 639 proposal - Zaza - discussion
> 
> Could we please expedite voting on this one? Someone at the Library of
> Congress is waiting for it.
> 
> The last comment was on Jan. 17 indicating that this is really more a
> macro-language. I don't still have it in my email but it may be accessed
> at:
> http://listserv.loc.gov/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0601&L=ISOJAC&D=0&I=-
> 3&X=58EA7A7253DE6B92CEP=1033
> 
> If there aren't more comments, could Havard please send to the JAC for
> balloting?
> 
> Rebecca
> 
> On Sun, 15 Jan 2006, [iso-8859-1] Håvard  Hjulstad wrote:
> 
> > Dear JAC members,
> >
> > We have received a proposal to include "Zaza, Dimili, Dimli, Kirdki,
> Kirmanjki, Zazaki" in ISO 639-2 (alpha-3 identifier).
> >
> > Ethnologue and ISO 639-3 has two related items:
> > (1) diq = Dimli; Dimili; Zazaki; Southern Zaza; Zaza;
> > (2) kiu = Kirmanjki; Zaza; Northern Zaza; Zazaki; Alevica; Dimilki;
> Dersimki; So-Bê; Zonê Ma.
> > The current proposal relates to item (1), which is the "larger" variant
> (in terms of number of users). I interpret the proposal as an "upgrade" of
> "diq" from 639-3 to 639-2. I would propose that we retain the identifier
> "diq" (proposer asks for "zaz", which is used for a different language in
> 639-3).
> >
> > Linguasphere has:
> > 58-AAA = Kurdi+Kurmanji
> > 58-AAA-a = Kurmanji+Kurmanjiki
> > 58-AAA-aa = Kurmanji
> > 58-AAA-ab = Kurmanjiki
> > 58-AAA-b = Dimli+Gurani
> > 58-AAA-ba = Dimli
> > The item in question in most likely the last in this list.
> >
> > The language is an Indo-European language (Western Iranian) used in
> Turkey.
> >
> > Discussion please, until Friday 2 February 2006.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Håvard
> >
> > *************************
> > This data was submitted on: Thursday, November 3, 2005 at 11:15:07
> >
> > lang_in_eng = Zaza, Dimili, Dimli, Kirdki, Kirmanjki, Zazaki
> >
> > lang_in_fre =
> >
> > ref_where_found_1 =
> >
> > lang_in_vern = Dimili, Dimli, Kirdki, Kirmanjki, Zazaki
> >
> > ref_where_found_2 = Ethnologue (Dimli; variants: Dimili, Zazaki,
> Southern Zaza); Compendium linguarum iranicarum, 1989: p. 338, etc. (Zaza;
> variants: Kirmanjki, Kirdki, Dimli); Todd, T.L. A grammar of Dimili (also
> known as Zaza); Ethnic groups in the Republic of Turkey, 1989: p. 122, etc.
> (Zaza; variants: Zazaki, Dimla, Dimli)
> >
> > trans_lit =
> >
> > evidence = Library of Congress (50)
> >
> > addinfo = 1,000,000 in Turkey (1999 WA). Between 1.5 and 2.5 million
> speakers (including all dialects) (1998 Paul). East central Turkey, mainly
> in Elazig, Bingol, and Diyarbakir provinces, upper courses of the
> Euphrates, Kizilirmaq, and Murat rivers. Also spoken in Germany. [source:
> ETHNOLOGUE, via WWW, 3 Nov. 2005]
> >
> > request_addition = ISO 639-2 only
> >
> > 2_code_suggestion =
> >
> > 3_code_suggestion = zaz
> >
> > submit_name = Michael L. Chyet
> >
> > submit_email = [log in to unmask]
> >
> > submit_status = Cataloger of books in language; Academic/language
> teacher; Non-native speaker of language
> >
> > ***************************
> >
> > Subject: Language code for Zaza
> >
> > Hello there,
> >
> > I've been cataloging some sound materials that are either in part or
> entirely in the Zaza language. From my various initial researches it does
> appear to be considered a distinct language, related to Kurdish and
> Persian, but having its own identity. Among other sources, the Wikipedia
> lists the Zazaki language, and there's an LC subject heading for Zaza
> language. There is no MARC code for the language, however, and I would
> like to propose that one be added.
> >
> > There appears to be quite a flock of names for the language, including,
> Zaza, Zazaki, Dimli and Kirdki. Please let me know if I could provide you
> with more information.
> >
> > Many thank,
> > Jim Soe Nyun
> > James L. SOE NYUN
> > Head, Music & Media Cataloging
> > Metadata Services Department
> > Geisel Library
> > UCSD Libraries
> > 9500 GIlman Drive, Dpt. 0175-K
> > La Jolla, CA 92093-0175
> >
> >