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I wonder how hard it would be to get together some like-minded people and start one of these up? In 
my neck of the woods, it's very much a fringe area with large swaths of the FM dial just static even 
with a good radio and antenna. I wonder if this is a prime place to test the waters for one of those 
low-power community stations??? What I think would be an interesting concept is broadcasting various 
podcasts. Not really interested in the typical amateur hour in Siberia podcasts that are all over, 
but what about if some people on this list had an easy way to play selections from and talk about 
their personal collections? Heck, most of us can put together a decent-sounding WAV file. Have a 
website where "DJ's" upload their WAV files and sequence/play everything right out of a decent DAW 
computer. Thus, not need for a large amount of equipment to keep track of, no need for a real 
studio, indeed no need for a real "home base" -- it could just be one computer in someone's house 
with a network link to a playback system right at the transmitter.

Maybe this is all pie in the sky?

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Lewis" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 9:23 AM
Subject: [ARSCLIST] Community Radio


Tom Fine wrote:

How do these stations afford to pay the yearly royalties to ASCAP and BMI?
Very curious -- and sure wish there was one in this neck of the woods!

>>>
There might very well be one. They are scattered all over, tiny little
stations with low watt transmitters generally, although some have fairly
strong signals - you can pick up WAIF on the outskirts of Cincinnati even a
little better than in the city. There is WFMU in NYC, which is by no means a
small player in the game. The politics of many of these stations tend to
veer to the left, which is one reason why they don't get listened to as much
as maybe they should. Music programming is all over the map, and you might
tune in one time and hear something you really, really hate, but on the same
station there might be some old timer spinning records from the 1920s, say,
on a Sunday afternoon.

Jerry Fabris, on this list, has an excellent show on WFMU, which plays
records from the Edison National Historic Site. I love it and listen to it
when I can.

I was hoping to find some single listing of all the various "community" (i.e
as opposed to "public") radio venues, but there isn't one. There is a
listing at the NFCB (National Foundation of Community Broadcasters) site,
but not all stations are necessarily members of this organization - WCBN and
WFMU are not, for example. It doesn't matter now as to low wattage - if you
have a web-stream, that levels the playing field, as anyone with a computer
can listen to the programming.

These stations, in a lot of cases, have been around for decades, a leftover
from the 60s and 70s approach to expanding access to media in the public
interest. The RIAA have not come after us full-bore quite yet - I don't know
the details, but right now a decision as how to collect from stations like
WCBN is tabled. We're such small potatoes, raising our own money from
donations and a slim amount of underwriting, that it isn't a priority. And
it is a problem in terms of enforcing the DMCA; a fair number of community
stations are based on Indian Reservations, and to pay to the RIAA the
equivalent of what they want could consume the entire revenue stream for an
Indian station for a calendar year, and he government didn't want to do
that. So now the decision is on hold.

We have set up a system whereby we record every music track played into a
database, so if they come calling, we're ready. So far as I know, no one has
shown up from the RIAA or any other concern at WCBN just yet. Is there
anyone else on this list who volunteers on community radio?

By the way, my show airs every other Thursday morning from 6-9am ET at
www.wcbn.org
I do it next week, my collaborator Keith Larsen does it this week, and he
also plays a lot of obscure stuff. I'm hoping to sign him up with ARSC this
year as he is very interested in attending the Wisconsin conference.

David N. Lewis
Assistant Classical Editor, All Music Guide

My life is the clearest proof that if you have talent, determination and
luck, you will make it in the end: Never Give Up. - Sir Georg Solti

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From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tom Fine
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Mercury co-founder Irving Green passes

How do these stations afford to pay the yearly royalties to ASCAP and BMI?
Very curious -- and sure
wish there was one in this neck of the woods!

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Lewis" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Mercury co-founder Irving Green passes


I'm a community volunteer radio programmer on WCBN-FM 88.3 in Ann Arbor,
based out of the University of Michigan. Many might feel that this is "there
for the grace of God go I" type radio, but I have been on community radio,
off and on, for a period of nearly 28 years - I was on WAIF-FM Cincinnati
for many years before I joined WCBN.

If you show up, have a broadcast license and can operate the gear, then they
don't worry about what you play, as long as there's no foul language.
Musically you can play practically anything. We do play a lot of classical
music on the station, it takes up roughly half of my bi-weekly three-hour
program, and others will even mix it in with the pop, jazz and other things
that they play.

My program is on the web, and I have listeners both locally and abroad. I
get fan email from places like Taiwan and Scotland.

David N. Lewis
Assistant Classical Editor, All Music Guide
1168 Oak Valley Dr.
Ann Arbor, MI 48108
734 887 8145

My life is the clearest proof that if you have talent, determination and
luck, you will make it in the end: Never Give Up. - Sir Georg Solti

-----Original Message-----
From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Roger and Allison Kulp
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 3:08 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Mercury co-founder Irving Green passes

Dave,I find this facinating.As one of those with "limited interest",the
classical record(ing)s I listen to were mostly done,between 1925,and
1965.Classical radio,a dying sector of the broadcast market,itself a dying
industry,thanks to web downloads, tends to forget there were even recordings
made,before the mid 80s,or so.So how do you get away with playing stuff like
mono Mercury ? (Many of which,I prefer to the stereos... the heresey! )
   I do not own a car,so I have often had to carry my thrift shop/flea
market purchases with me,when I go from digging for vinyl/shellac,to the
supermarket,etc. .)On one such occasion,I ran into the morning guy,since
canned/"retired",from the local classical station.He started a
conversation,and confirmed my suspicions,that the corporate owners of the
station,refused to allow any pre-digital recordings to be played,because
they said it was bad for ratings,and it was an unstated policy,to
program/push new recordings.Something about they weren't there to expose
people to the best recordings/performances,just to provide pleasant
background music,to keep the sponsors happy.
   So how do you pull this off ?
    Roger Kulp

David Lewis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
  Dave Lewis:

Well, I may represent the "limited interest" faction, but I was certainly
waiting to see certain Hanson recordings come along - mainly Griffes' Kubla
Khan, the Loeffler and Sessions' "Black Maskers." To this day, I keep a reel
tape version on hand of "Maskers" just so if I want to program it on my
radio show, I can make a transfer. I would have thought these things,
although monaurally recorded, considerable to make the "cut," but umusic, I
guess, knows better than me, a mere consumer and (god forbid!) critic.
David N. Lewis
Assistant Classical Editor, All Music Guide

My life is the clearest proof that if you have talent, determination and
luck, you will make it in the end: Never Give Up. - Sir Georg Solti





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