I agree that adding field of study as a qualifier would be very helpful in many instances. I would hate to lose the year distinction, however. In catalogs (such as ours) with a narrower focus, we would need to further distinguish the multiple (lawyer) or (law professor) entries. Kathy At 09:39 AM 11/4/2006, you wrote: >Mary Charles, I agree 100% that it would be good to move away from >undifferentiated name records. > >Furthermore, if the cataloging rules would allow an author's field of study >in the $c, this would serve as a more useful identifier, for both >catalogers and users, than the additions that are currently authorized. >Imagine index screens that look like this: > >Turner, David, economist. >Turner, David, electrical engineer. >Turner, David, political scientist. > >Rather than this: > >Turner, David, 1945- >Turner, David, 1947- >Turner, David, Ph.D. > >As automated authority control improves, retrospective changes to headings >should become easier and easier. Perhaps the catalogs of the future will >have headings like: > >Turner, David (architect) >Turner, David, 1945- (electrical engineer) >Turner, David, 1947- (political scientist) > >Amy > >Amy H. Turner >Monographic Cataloger & Authority Control Coordinator >Duke University Libraries >Durham, NC 27708-0190 >[log in to unmask] > > > > > > > "Lasater, Mary C" > <mary.c.lasater@V > ANDERBILT.EDU> To > Sent by: Program [log in to unmask] > for Cooperative cc > Cataloging > <[log in to unmask]> Subject > Re: [PCCLIST] undifferentiated name > records > 11/04/2006 11:33 > AM > > > Please respond to > Program for > Cooperative > Cataloging > <[log in to unmask]> > > > > > > >Paul, > >You have touched on a topic/problem that I hope we can 'do better' >under RDA. I would like to see us move toward using those phrases >that we construct as $c's with the author's name and setting these >authority records up that way. THEN when we find out more about the >author, we can change the 'distinct' AR instead of the 'non-unique >AR if necessary. Several years ago I mentioned in a talk at ALA >that I spend too much time looking for how these have changed and >would prefer not to even have the non-unique AR. With a linked >authority system those changes can be really bad with people >writing books 100s of years before they were born. If instead of >constructing non-unique's we created individual AR's with the >phrases (that we already construct for the non-unique authority >records) and then changed that AR when we have more info, linked >authority system changes would automatically change the 'correct' >authority record, only. Much/all of the time spent looking for the >changed heading that is no longer on the non-unique (Is this the >Tom Smith born in 1952, or 53, or is it Tom T. Smith or Tom Smith, >Ph.D.) would be eliminated. > >Music catalogers already get to add these phrases and we see this >type of 'qualification' on various web tools. What are the >disadvantages? Do they outweigh the benefits? > >Mary Charles Lasater > >--On Friday, November 03, 2006 2:21 PM -0800 "Paul J. Weiss" ><[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > I note that the practice of bracketing data in one 670 per person > > in an undifferentiated name record is not actually given as > > policy anywhere. The MARC authority format give it as one > > possibility ("subfield $a may contain a descriptive term for an > > author enclosed within brackets "). DCM Z1 touches on it in the > > introduction and at 670. The NACO Participants Manual describes > > the practice, but our NACO reviewer at LC continues to remind me > > that the PM does not set policy. > > > > Do any of you _not_ follow that practice? If not, what was your > > thinking behind your decision? Have any of you considered some > > other practice? > > > > Thanks, > > Paul > > UCSD NACO Coordinator > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Paul J. Weiss > > Catalog Librarian and NACO Coordinator > > Metadata Services Department > > UCSD Libraries > > 858-534-3537 > > [log in to unmask] _______________________________________ > > > >--------------------------------------- >Mary Charles Lasater >Vanderbilt University >Email: [log in to unmask] *************************** Kathy Winzer Catalog Librarian Robert Crown Law Library Stanford University Stanford, CA 94305-8612 e-mail: [log in to unmask] phone: 650-723-0343 fax: 650-723-8657