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The discs kept slipping out!

Lou Houck
Rollin' Recording



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Smolian" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Gassy inner sleeves


> At one time, the thicker plastic sleeves were made of recycled plastic 
> bags which had been used to ship bananas, or so anecdote has it.  They 
> were somewhat impure as a result.  This may account for some of the 
> problems.
>
> The other is that the migration issue- plastinc to plastic- was initiated 
> and/or accelerated by storage conditions.  Elevated temperatures and/or 
> great pressure led to the sticky-sleeve syndrome.
>
> One partial solution was elbow grease and those orange-based cleaning 
> compounds.  Elwood McKee suggested this to me.  They got the surface 
> discoloration off but had trouble extracting the plastic from the grooves. 
> More pads, etc, improved things further.  There was a cost/time issue 
> involved and I now use it only when the records are of consideable value. 
> Unlike most such, graded visually, I play them.  In part, the stylus works 
> like a shovel and gets out  (ot tells me I haven't gotten out) the rest of 
> the stuff.
>
> The Japanese-type semi-opaque paper sleeves seem ok.
>
> Another problem is that some plastic sleeves were glued into the paper 
> sleeves.  Heat in storage- well, you know the rest.
>
> Steve Smolian
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Hirsch" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 11:34 AM
> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Gassy inner sleeves
>
>
>> The recent thread on the risks plastic inner sleeves pose to LPs was
>> interesting but left a few unanswered questions in my mind.
>>
>> What about those "audiophile" sleeves, like Nagaoka and others? I am not 
>> a
>> chemist, but I am sure that some on this list might have more specific
>> information on what kind of polymer interacts harmfully with vinyl discs 
>> and
>> what sort (if any) is inert.
>>
>> Some have posted their choice of paper over plastic of any kind. Has this 
>> been
>> tested out on any large scale (say, at an instititution with 10s of 
>> thousands
>> of records or more) or is this just anectdotal, drawn from personal
>> experience? Either sort of information is of interest to me, but it would 
>> be
>> useful to know what sort of basis was used for recommending one over the
>> other. If there has been any large scale trial, was there any conclusion 
>> drawn
>> on the merits of acid-free sleeves or on the use of rice paper versus the 
>> run
>> of the mill sort found in most commercially issued LPs?
>>
>> Somewhat related, I am also wondering if using a static electricity 
>> discharger
>> makes a significant effect on the longterm health of discs and whether 
>> the
>> crucial time for de-stating is before shelving the record or when you are
>> about to play it. I guess one ought to do both just to play safe, but I 
>> am not
>> savvy enough to know whether or not how long the disc sits on the shelf 
>> in a
>> charged state makes a bit of difference.
>>
>> My experience with long term storage of recorded media (I have been 
>> dragging
>> around some elements of my collection since the mid-60s) confirms that 
>> one's
>> mileage is bound to vary from the scientifically derived benchmarks (for
>> example: all of my cassettes, even cheapo 30 year old ones, are still 
>> playing
>> just fine on my less than professional quality decks, though I know that 
>> this
>> should not be so), but it would be good to know if there are any 
>> benchmarks in
>> this area,
>>
>> Just a few tech questions from a non-tech mind.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Peter Hirsch
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>> (212) 569-8716 - home
>> (212) 714-8570 work (NYPL)
>>
>>
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