I agree with Richard. If the pancakes are held tightly top and bottom within their tape boxes, and then the pile of tape boxes is held tightly together within one larger box, and that box is nested in a sea of packing material in a still larger box, and you insure it for full replacement value, you should be able to rest easy. Note that winter weather is gripping the central and eastern part of the country, so if these are tapes which should not sit in well-below-zero depots and trucks, ship them faster-to-destination. It was -2 degrees outside when I got up just before sunrise today. 15 degrees when I left for work a couple hours later. Yesterday was colder still. Midwest and New England have it colder than here. -- Tom Fine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard L. Hess" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Transporting 10 inch pancakes Hi, Jerry, It depends. MOST (but not all) boxes with pancakes had inserts that took up the space of the flanges within the box forming a safe, tight pack. Other times, panckes came on plastic trays that nestled in a 10- or 12-pack. Either of these methods are fine to ship pancakes. If you're talking one or two, certainly screw flanges on, but if you're talking 50-100, and they are packed as originally sold, the damage of handling the tape is, in my opinion, greater than the risk from moving damage. I would tape each box closed after inspecting that the pancake is tight. Then I'd pack the whole thing in a tight carton. If these are extra-valuable AND you're shipping by common carrier, I would wrap that in single-sided corrugated wrapping and tightly stuff it inside a larger box. The goal here is to prevent crushing that would spring an individual box open and crush the pancake. Empty reels are selling for $30 these days, although flanges may still be cheaper, but you also have to get the hardware. The nuts with the screw-like tapered heads on them are called "sex nuts" believe it or not. I think US Recording Media has the pieces. Cheers, Richard At 04:59 PM 2007-02-06, Jerry McBride wrote: >Does anyone have experience with moving a collection of quarter-inch tapes, as ten-inch pancakes in >their original boxes? It seems logical to assume that it would be safer to ship or move tape on >reels. How great is the danger that the pancake will come unwound under normal shipping and moving >conditions if stored on hubs in the original boxes? > >-- >Jerry McBride, Head Librarian >Music Library and Archive of Recorded Sound >Braun Music Center, Room 104 >Stanford University >541 Lasuén Mall >Stanford, CA 94305-3076 > >[log in to unmask] >650-725-1146 >650-725-1145 (fax) > Richard L. Hess email: [log in to unmask] Aurora, Ontario, Canada (905) 713 6733 1-877-TAPE-FIX Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm Quality tape transfers -- even from hard-to-play tapes.