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Uh, yeah. Try a modern CD instead of a 50-year-old record. But again, to each their own.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Lennick" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops question)


> Matter of fact I'm just listening to Tabor on what may be a first pressing. 
> Major breakup on the drums and tuttis about 5 minutes in..cleaner with a .7 mil 
> stylus (I first tried a 1-mil). Very clean pressing, no surface noise.
> 
> dl
> 
> Tom Fine wrote:
>> Well, to each their own. The critics did not agree with you in most 
>> cases. The Mercury mono reissue CD's sold very well worldwide and are 
>> now available again as a 4 or 5CD (forgot which) set, all the Kubeliks. 
>> I personally greatly prefer the CD's to the original LPs (which we have 
>> excellent-condition copies of). Again, everyone's entitled to an 
>> opinion. I'll grant you that the master tapes were over 40 years old in 
>> 1996, but it was amazing how they played back OK. The LPs noisy surface 
>> may mask some of the limitations of tape, machine and microphone.
>> 
>> If the "Tabor" is what I heard, we have very different opinions. I heard 
>> all sorts of digital artifacts, obvious tape degradation and a 
>> non-realistic stereo pickup. But again, to each their own.
>> 
>> -- Tom Fine
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Abrams" 
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>> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 10:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops question)
>> 
>> 
>>> What I am saying is that the Mercury Living Presence CD issued in 1996 
>>> of "Ma Vlast" does not sound good.  I remember the LPs sounding better 
>>> though I only had them on a cheap reissue in the UK on the Wing 
>>> label.  The stereo issue of "Tabor" that I know came out last year on 
>>> Music & Arts and was restored by Mark Obert-Thorne.  It sounds much 
>>> better than the mono version.
>>>
>>> Steve Abrams
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fine" 
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>>> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 3:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops 
>>> question)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Steve:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the RCA clarification. It was the same set of sessions I 
>>>> thought but different works.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Bert Whyte was permitted by Mercury to bring his 2-track 
>>>> Magnecorder and place a pair of U-47 mics at the Kubelik session. 
>>>> Some of the tapes were issued on a small label CD in recent years and 
>>>> sound terrible to my ears. Could be the tape is deteriorated, could 
>>>> be the playback or transfer equipment wasn't good. Could be the 
>>>> engineer didn't properly line up the staggered tracks, etc. They 
>>>> definitely over-used digital noise-zapping tools so there are 
>>>> digi-artifacts galore. I imagine the tapes sounded better when they 
>>>> were new and played back on that Magnecorder.
>>>>
>>>> Bert's tapes were a personal experiment. Never intended for release. 
>>>> Not particularly praised or lauded by the professionals involved in 
>>>> the session. In fairness to Bert, this was pioneering in many 
>>>> respects, as was his pioneering use of magnetic film recording for 
>>>> Everest.  Bert wrote a really nice column for Radio & TV News in 1956 
>>>> about the day he was invited to the studio to hear the first Mercury 
>>>> 3-track tapes that were ready for release. He was treated to a 
>>>> full-monty 3-speaker extravaganza.
>>>>
>>>> -- Tom Fine
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Abrams" 
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>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 8:18 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops 
>>>> question)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Not quite.  The Munch Damnation of Faust in February 1954 was 
>>>>> recorded in stereo but only issued in mono. Something happened to 
>>>>> the stereo tapes. The Reiner recordings of  Heldenleben and Salome's 
>>>>> dance were recorded on March 6th.  Zarathustra came two days later 
>>>>> on the 8th.  However - and you should be able to shed some light on 
>>>>> this - some stereo recordings were made by Bert Whyte at the 
>>>>> December 1952 sessions of the Chicago Symphony recording Ma Vlast 
>>>>> under Kubelik.  'Tabor' recorded on December 6th has recently been 
>>>>> issued on Music and Arts in a transfer by Obert-Thorne. The very 
>>>>> unpleasant overload distortion on the Mercury Living Presence mono 
>>>>> set, very evident on the CD issue, is not evident in the stereo 
>>>>> version.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve Abrams
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fine" 
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>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 12:10 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops 
>>>>> question)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd be interested to know what's on them and who released them. I 
>>>>>> do not believe you'll find that they are in fact 2T stereo. They 
>>>>>> are likely half-track (2-sided) mono. If they are stereo, it would 
>>>>>> be very interesting to know who put them out as in 1952 only a few 
>>>>>> people were experimenting with 2-channel stereo recording of music. 
>>>>>> No major labels yet, although I believe RCA started making 2T 
>>>>>> masters in 1954 or even 1953 -- I think Zarathustra with Reiner was 
>>>>>> the first 2T session.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Tom Fine
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Palmer" 
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>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 12:29 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops 
>>>>>> question)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    I bought my first 2 track tapes for my reel recorder/player in 
>>>>>>> the Base Exchange in Sidi-Slimane, Morocco in 1952.  I still have 
>>>>>>> a couple of them in fact.   Jack
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fine" 
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>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:40 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops 
>>>>>>> question)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ampex developed their own, was developed by Leon Wortman in NY 
>>>>>>>> and detailed in a 1951 Radio & TV News article. Wortman's line 
>>>>>>>> made full-track or half-track tapes. Commercial half-track tapes 
>>>>>>>> were available as early as 1951 or 1952, but there was only a 
>>>>>>>> very small consumer market for reel to reel machines at that 
>>>>>>>> point. > Because this was a new format sold at a premium price, a 
>>>>>>>> lot of QC attention was paid by the reputable companies in this 
>>>>>>>> era, so the net quality is very high. Akin to what happened when 
>>>>>>>> stereo LPs came along.
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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