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----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lennick" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops question) > Matter of fact I'm just listening to Tabor on what may be a first > pressing. Major breakup on the drums and tuttis about 5 minutes > in..cleaner with a .7 mil stylus (I first tried a 1-mil). Very clean > pressing, no surface noise. > > dl > > Tom Fine wrote: >> Well, to each their own. The critics did not agree with you in most >> cases. The Mercury mono reissue CD's sold very well worldwide and are now >> available again as a 4 or 5CD (forgot which) set, all the Kubeliks. I >> personally greatly prefer the CD's to the original LPs (which we have >> excellent-condition copies of). Again, everyone's entitled to an opinion. >> I'll grant you that the master tapes were over 40 years old in 1996, but >> it was amazing how they played back OK. The LPs noisy surface may mask >> some of the limitations of tape, machine and microphone. >> >> If the "Tabor" is what I heard, we have very different opinions. I heard >> all sorts of digital artifacts, obvious tape degradation and a >> non-realistic stereo pickup. But again, to each their own. >> >> -- Tom Fine >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Abrams" >> <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 10:18 AM >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops >> question) >> >> >>> What I am saying is that the Mercury Living Presence CD issued in 1996 >>> of "Ma Vlast" does not sound good. I remember the LPs sounding better >>> though I only had them on a cheap reissue in the UK on the Wing label. >>> The stereo issue of "Tabor" that I know came out last year on Music & >>> Arts and was restored by Mark Obert-Thorne. It sounds much better than >>> the mono version. >>> >>> Steve Abrams >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fine" >>> <[log in to unmask]> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 3:02 PM >>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops >>> question) >>> >>> >>>> Hi Steve: >>>> >>>> Thanks for the RCA clarification. It was the same set of sessions I >>>> thought but different works. >>>> >>>> Yes, Bert Whyte was permitted by Mercury to bring his 2-track >>>> Magnecorder and place a pair of U-47 mics at the Kubelik session. Some >>>> of the tapes were issued on a small label CD in recent years and sound >>>> terrible to my ears. Could be the tape is deteriorated, could be the >>>> playback or transfer equipment wasn't good. Could be the engineer >>>> didn't properly line up the staggered tracks, etc. They definitely >>>> over-used digital noise-zapping tools so there are digi-artifacts >>>> galore. I imagine the tapes sounded better when they were new and >>>> played back on that Magnecorder. >>>> >>>> Bert's tapes were a personal experiment. Never intended for release. >>>> Not particularly praised or lauded by the professionals involved in the >>>> session. In fairness to Bert, this was pioneering in many respects, as >>>> was his pioneering use of magnetic film recording for Everest. Bert >>>> wrote a really nice column for Radio & TV News in 1956 about the day he >>>> was invited to the studio to hear the first Mercury 3-track tapes that >>>> were ready for release. He was treated to a full-monty 3-speaker >>>> extravaganza. >>>> >>>> -- Tom Fine >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Abrams" >>>> <[log in to unmask]> >>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>>> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 8:18 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops >>>> question) >>>> >>>> >>>>> Not quite. The Munch Damnation of Faust in February 1954 was recorded >>>>> in stereo but only issued in mono. Something happened to the stereo >>>>> tapes. The Reiner recordings of Heldenleben and Salome's dance were >>>>> recorded on March 6th. Zarathustra came two days later on the 8th. >>>>> However - and you should be able to shed some light on this - some >>>>> stereo recordings were made by Bert Whyte at the December 1952 >>>>> sessions of the Chicago Symphony recording Ma Vlast under Kubelik. >>>>> 'Tabor' recorded on December 6th has recently been issued on Music and >>>>> Arts in a transfer by Obert-Thorne. The very unpleasant overload >>>>> distortion on the Mercury Living Presence mono set, very evident on >>>>> the CD issue, is not evident in the stereo version. >>>>> >>>>> Steve Abrams >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fine" >>>>> <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 12:10 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops >>>>> question) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I'd be interested to know what's on them and who released them. I do >>>>>> not believe you'll find that they are in fact 2T stereo. They are >>>>>> likely half-track (2-sided) mono. If they are stereo, it would be >>>>>> very interesting to know who put them out as in 1952 only a few >>>>>> people were experimenting with 2-channel stereo recording of music. >>>>>> No major labels yet, although I believe RCA started making 2T masters >>>>>> in 1954 or even 1953 -- I think Zarathustra with Reiner was the first >>>>>> 2T session. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Tom Fine >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Palmer" >>>>>> <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 12:29 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops >>>>>> question) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I bought my first 2 track tapes for my reel recorder/player in >>>>>>> the Base Exchange in Sidi-Slimane, Morocco in 1952. I still have a >>>>>>> couple of them in fact. Jack >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fine" >>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:40 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops >>>>>>> question) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ampex developed their own, was developed by Leon Wortman in NY and >>>>>>>> detailed in a 1951 Radio & TV News article. Wortman's line made >>>>>>>> full-track or half-track tapes. Commercial half-track tapes were >>>>>>>> available as early as 1951 or 1952, but there was only a very small >>>>>>>> consumer market for reel to reel machines at that point. > Because >>>>>>>> this was a new format sold at a premium price, a lot of QC >>>>>>>> attention was paid by the reputable companies in this era, so the >>>>>>>> net quality is very high. Akin to what happened when stereo LPs >>>>>>>> came along. >>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>>> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/751 - Release Date: >>>>>> 07/04/2007 22:57 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/751 - Release Date: >>>> 07/04/2007 22:57 >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/751 - Release Date: 07/04/2007 > 22:57 > >