There are two track stereo Westminster reels.I sold one on eBay a while back.It was Scherchen,of course.I can't recall what it was,it may have been "Messiah". It went for about $140.00.I was pretty surprised. Roger Rod Stephens <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Tom Fine wrote: > Hi Jack: > > Just to clarify the history here, when you say "2-track (non-stereo)" > do you mean half-track (2-sided mono) or do you mean one-direction > mono? And, if you mean one-direction mono, are you sure they are not > full-track? It should clarify this on the tape boxes, although the > nomenclature used early on varied between companies. I have three Sonotape recordings on 7" reels which are from the Westminster catalog. They are each labeled on the back of the box, Recording: Half Track--(Upper) Speed: 7 1/2 inches per second Track 1: Forward Track 2: Reverse > > I forgot to mention one thing in my post before -- some of these old > tapes can be real gems and the best available source. Here's a > for-instance. Apparently, the master tapes for most or all of the > Everest Woody Herman albums are lost. The CD reissues are all > obviously (and poorly) made from LPs (clearly audible groove > distortion, sloppy and overbearing tick and pop removal, digital > artifacts galore from over-agressive noise-reduction). I was able to > borrow the quarter-track, not even the 2-track but the early > quarter-track duped reels and it was like night and day. Especially in > the case of the Woody Herman and Tito Puente session, the reels were > dynamic and rarely distorted while the CD reissue made from LPs was > awful. There was an earlier European or Asian CD of this same material > that sounds like it was made from a cleaner LP and is not aggressively > digi-tooled to where there are annoying artifacts but it's still not > as good as the reel. From what I've been able to gather, most of the > Everest pop and jazz master tapes are either lost or badly damaged, so > one hopes there are a few more of these quarter-track, or better > 2-track, reels floating around. Especially in the case of the earlier > dupers (half-tracks, 2-tracks and very early quarter-tracks), the > quality is usually very good aside from hissy tape. By the early 60's, > duping speeds were faster and quality is not as good. By the time you > got to the release product being 3.75IPS and duping speeds were up to > 16x, the quality was awful. Aside from saving tape, duping to 3.75IPS > allowed standard duping speeds in factories that by then were mainly > doing 8-tracks, although a place with a decent on-going quarter-track > business would have a separate duping line for that. > > There are several good articles covering the evolution of tape duping > in the archives of the AES Journal. Anyone interested can search and > buy articles at the AES website. Ampex published articles about the > first 3200 system in the mid-50's, their higher-speed system for > multiple formats in teh early 60's and their solid-state bin-loop > system in the late 60's. I believe at least one of the makers of > cassette duping equipment published at least one article, too. > > Tape duping must have been at least marginally profitable because > people stayed in it all through reels, 8-tracks and cassettes. There > was one brief moment, at the end of the LP era as CD's were just > catching on, maybe 2 years in the early 80's, when cassettes outsold > LPs. This was after the Walkman caught on big-time and before CD's > were mainstream (when players still cost a grand and didn't sound so > great). CD's then caught on and the cassette began submerging. I'm not > sure there are any large-scale cassette duping for commercial music > operations left. There are some operations taylored to smaller jobs > who will do, for instance, 100 copies of a set of medical conference > recordings or 1000 cassette box sets for Radio Spirits. I believe > cassette duping for music is still a viable business in Asia but I > might be wrong about that. > > -- Tom Fine > > -- Tom Fine > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Palmer" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 8:16 PM > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops > question) > > >> I checked about a hundred of my tapes and I am not sure any of the >> 2 track (non stereo) were from 1952. I have several 2 track >> non-stereo tapes, 7 1/2 speed that were issued by Ampex for London. >> No date on the box or tape reel, so I can't be certain of the date. >> None of the early 2 tracks I bought were stereo though. I thought >> the high-fidelity was great and worth the money. Thanks for making me >> look. I found three Gilbert and Sullivan operettas on reels that I >> didn't even remember owning. Jack >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fine" >> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 7:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops >> question) >> >> >>> I'd be interested to know what's on them and who released them. I do >>> not believe you'll find that they are in fact 2T stereo. They are >>> likely half-track (2-sided) mono. If they are stereo, it would be >>> very interesting to know who put them out as in 1952 only a few >>> people were experimenting with 2-channel stereo recording of music. >>> No major labels yet, although I believe RCA started making 2T >>> masters in 1954 or even 1953 -- I think Zarathustra with Reiner was >>> the first 2T session. >>> >>> -- Tom Fine >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Palmer" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 12:29 AM >>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops >>> question) >>> >>> >>>> I bought my first 2 track tapes for my reel recorder/player in >>>> the Base Exchange in Sidi-Slimane, Morocco in 1952. I still have a >>>> couple of them in fact. Jack >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fine" >>>> >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:40 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops >>>> question) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Ampex developed their own, was developed by Leon Wortman in NY and >>>>> detailed in a 1951 Radio & TV News article. Wortman's line made >>>>> full-track or half-track tapes. Commercial half-track tapes were >>>>> available as early as 1951 or 1952, but there was only a very >>>>> small consumer market for reel to reel machines at that point. > >>>>> Because this was a new format sold at a premium price, a lot of QC >>>>> attention was paid by the reputable companies in this era, so the >>>>> net quality is very high. Akin to what happened when stereo LPs >>>>> came along. >>>> >>>> . >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.