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From: "Richard L. Hess" <[log in to unmask]>
> One thing to remember with Cedar is that it is essentially a
> real-time process--at least as far as I've studied it and how I've
> seen it used.
>
> This contrasts with most plug-in processes which can run faster or
> much faster than real time when "rendering" an audio file with the
application.
>
> For the workflow discussed here, either the Cedar hardware boxes OR
> Cambridge would work in real time -- and you can tweak in real time
> as well if you don't like what you're hearing.
>
> For generating CDs or other file-based delivery mechanisms, the use
> of a plug-in architecture where you can tell it to "render" the
> repaired file is, IMHO, superior to having to wait the entire running
> time of the file to provide a result.
>
> However, as I have said, I don't think for discs -- especially "78"
> work -- anything meets the Cedar level of noise reduction AND ease of use.
>
> I would look at the Algorithmix high-end disc package which is 10% of
> the cost of Cedar (for that one plug-in). I am happy with the
> Noise-free Pro Algorithmix plug-in BUT I have never had occasion to
> use the Pro de-click. Just their mid-level "Sound Laundry" de-click.
>
> Also the Cedar Retouch is similar in concept to the Algorithmix
> Renovator. I've only used the slightly reduced functionality version
> of that in Samplitude 9 and it solves some interesting problems, but
> it doesn't do what Retouch did in Seth Winner's demo at ARSC. Of
> course, maybe Seth knows how to drive Retouch better than I know how
> to drive the new spectral cleaning filter in Samplitude.
>
> It's a matter of pricepoint as well. Not seeing the volume to justify
> Cambridge and a drawer full of custom styli are two reasons I don't
> do discs <smile>.
>
Well, I place CEDAR in the same class as the Mercedes 300SEL6.3!
That is...a magnificent example of its variety, but one whose cost
is so far beyond my means that I never expect to experience it in my
own lifetime...!

Steven C. Barr