I strongly urge you to use the Open Office conversion steps.

If the file is opened up and it doesn't look right (it is English/Latin text right?), then there is something wrong.

You are risking compromising the data in the document you are working with (maybe the encoding is scrambled?) as well as any other data you copy and paste this into.

ounce of prevention

Mike Ferrando
Library Technician
Library of Congress
Washington, DC
(202) 707-4454

----- Original Message ----
From: Michele R Combs <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 10:45:37 AM
Subject: Document format


Aha!!  Maurice has solved it.  When I open the 
.rtf file in notepad, the characters are represented as all sorts of greek and 
astrological symbols and weird things -- but it is NOT the little boxes, and I 
can change the font to Arial and it looks great.  This is a beautiful 
thing.  Thank you :)



Librarian for Manuscripts and Archives Processing.
Collections Research Center.
Syracuse University Library.
222 Waverly 
Syracuse, NY   


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December 04, 2007 10:13 AM
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  In your second mail you say that you can save the strange 
  doc-file to rtf and open it correctly. RTF is an "open" format (you can 
  download the official microsoft specification of the format for free somewhere 
  but that should not be necessary for you) and it is not too difficult to read 
  RTF manually if you open it as ascii ( e.g. by notepad). Typically an RTF 
  contains all the text in plain form plus some additional information 
  (control words). You should be able to find it by simply scrolling through 
  what at first appears to be completely unintelligle. 


  There is a helpful O'Reilly book on rtf and, for example, 
  this short introduction: 


  which should be more than enough for you to see if the text is there in a 
  plain form. Then you look out for encoding stuff and fonts which are the 
  possible sources of your problem. Maybe this helps for diagnosis of the 

  I am not sure if the effort is necessary, though, but wanted to point 
  this out as a possibility anyways.

  Something else: If printing works, maybe you can print to PDF and 
  continue from there.





  On 12/4/07, joseph 
  greene <[log in to unmask] > 
    might try opening with OpenOffice Write and saving as .odt 
native XML format). I've opened .wpd files with it and converted 
    to .odt 
successfully, but only experimentally. It's got alot of 
available to it and it's a free download.

You might also 
    look into Jhove or the EU Planets Project to
characterize/validate your 
    documents. Could produce interesting insights. 

Irish Virtual Research Library and Archive Project (HII),
    Joyce Library,
Dublin 4.

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----- Original Message 
From: MicheleR < 
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Date: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 3:19 am 
Subject: Re: Technical question on document format [slightly OT]
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> Leah Prescott wrote:
    > Could the "Voyager" font you see be a font used by the library 
    > system Voyager? Are they .doc files? Can you convert from the
> > files to .txt?
> Let us say, they have a 
    .doc extension and can be opened with Word -
> -
> which of 
    course doesn't necessarily mean they are actually real 
> Word 
    documents.  I don't think they came out of the Voyager 
    library system because Voyager doesn't store inventories,
> only MARC 
    records.  I can save it as rtf and it looks fine,
> but I 
    still can't get out of rtf into anything plain text. 
> Kate 
    Bowers wrote:
> > You could try saving the document, in MSWord, as 
    "Plain text."
> > Choose a NEW name for the file.  MSWord 
    may ask you to pick an
> > encoding.
> Save as -> 
    plain txt gets me all those little boxes, no matter 
> which
    encoding options I tried. Argh.  Isn't technology supposed to 
> our lives EASIER??
> Michele 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++
> There is no substitute for good 
> except, perhaps, fast reflexes.

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