Aha!!  Maurice has solved it.  When I open the .rtf file in notepad, the
characters are represented as all sorts of greek and astrological
symbols and weird things -- but it is NOT the little boxes, and I can
change the font to Arial and it looks great.  This is a beautiful thing.
Thank you :)

Michele Combs.
Librarian for Manuscripts and Archives Processing.
Special Collections Research Center.
Syracuse University Library.
222 Waverly Avenue.
Syracuse, NY   13244



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	In your second mail you say that you can save the strange
doc-file to rtf and open it correctly. RTF is an "open" format (you can
download the official microsoft specification of the format for free
somewhere but that should not be necessary for you) and it is not too
difficult to read RTF manually if you open it as ascii ( e.g. by
notepad). Typically an RTF contains all the text in plain form plus some
additional information (control words). You should be able to find it by
simply scrolling through what at first appears to be completely
	There is a helpful O'Reilly book on rtf and, for example, this
short introduction: 
	which should be more than enough for you to see if the text is
there in a plain form. Then you look out for encoding stuff and fonts
which are the possible sources of your problem. Maybe this helps for
diagnosis of the problem. 
	I am not sure if the effort is necessary, though, but wanted to
point this out as a possibility anyways.
	Something else: If printing works, maybe you can print to PDF
and continue from there.
	On 12/4/07, joseph greene <[log in to unmask] > wrote: 

		You might try opening with OpenOffice Write and saving
as .odt (Write's
		native XML format). I've opened .wpd files with it and
converted to .odt 
		successfully, but only experimentally. It's got alot of
		available to it and it's a free download.
		You might also look into Jhove or the EU Planets Project
		characterize/validate your documents. Could produce
interesting insights. 
		Joseph Greene
		Irish Virtual Research Library and Archive Project
		James Joyce Library,
		Dublin 4.
		(t) 01 716 7506
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		----- Original Message -----
		From: MicheleR < [log in to unmask]
<mailto:[log in to unmask]> >
		Date: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 3:19 am 
		Subject: Re: Technical question on document format
[slightly OT]
		To: [log in to unmask]
		> Leah Prescott wrote:
		> > Could the "Voyager" font you see be a font used by
the library 
		> > system Voyager? Are they .doc files? Can you convert
from the
		> .rtf 
		> > files to .txt?
		> Let us say, they have a .doc extension and can be
opened with Word -
		> -
		> which of course doesn't necessarily mean they are
actually real 
		> Word documents.  I don't think they came out of the
		> library system because Voyager doesn't store
		> only MARC records.  I can save it as rtf and it looks
		> but I still can't get out of rtf into anything plain
		> Kate Bowers wrote:
		> > You could try saving the document, in MSWord, as
"Plain text."
		> > Choose a NEW name for the file.  MSWord may ask you
to pick an
		> > encoding.
		> Save as -> plain txt gets me all those little boxes,
no matter 
		> which
		> encoding options I tried. Argh.  Isn't technology
supposed to make
		> our lives EASIER??
		> Michele 
		> --
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		> There is no substitute for good manners, 
		> except, perhaps, fast reflexes.
		> +++++++++++++++++++++++