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It's been a few weeks. Havard: are you planning to have ballots on all the "+" items from your list? Thanks, Peter. > -----Original Message----- > From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > Behalf Of Peter Constable > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:20 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections > > Valid point; conceded. > > Peter > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > > Behalf Of Milicent K Wewerka > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:26 AM > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections > > > > Although I'm not a voting member, it seems to me that it would be > > better > > to have a formal ballot on all changes. Are you going to begin to > have > > separate French and English balloting? That sounds like a bad idea. > > > > Milicent Wewerka > > > > >>> Peter Constable <[log in to unmask]> 01/11/08 11:04 AM >>> > > Apart from the creole & pidgen entries and the car entry, it looks > like > > all the "+" entries in your table involve changes in (and only in) > the > > French name. In that case, I'd need to defer to French experts, and > my > > ballot for all of these would simply copy Anila. I'd be content to > skip > > the ballot in those cases and allow our French experts to decide on > > these. But if others want all of these balloted, I'm also OK with > that. > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > > > Behalf Of Peter Constable > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:52 AM > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections > > > > > > Thanks, Havard. If I count right, there are 17 "+" items we'd be > > > balloting, if we agreed on balloting all and only those items. > > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > > > > Behalf Of Håvard Hjulstad > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:27 AM > > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Peter. I have made the corrections in the table: > > > > nai : L > > > > Nic : L + > > > > Smi : L + > > > > Tai : L + > > > > > > > > Going through the table once more I also found the following > > changes > > > > appropriate: > > > > Bai : changed from - to + > > > > Khi : changed from L to L + > > > > > > > > The Creoles and pidgins are "actually" of the "L category", but I > > > have > > > > marked them "L +" since we cannot insert the word "languages". > > > > > > > > All "+ changes" are based on input from experts during the > > > development > > > > of 639-5. > > > > > > > > The new table is enclosed as document JAC N 60 (as Word and pdf > > > files). > > > > It is also available on the ISO Livelink system (in the JAC > folder > > > > under ISO/TC 37). > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Håvard > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > > > Håvard Hjulstad > > > > Standard Norge / Standards Norway > > > > [log in to unmask] > > > > -------------------- > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > > > > Behalf Of Peter Constable > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:03 PM > > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections > > > > > > > > I agree: vote on "+" items but not others. > > > > > > > > A few comments on the table: > > > > > > > > - nai is marked "+" but it seems like it should be "L" > > > > > > > > - nic is marked "L" but it seems like it should be marked "+" or > > "L+" > > > > > > > > - smi: the French name from table 3 is "sames, langues" rather > > than > > > > "sami, langues"; I assume that's intended? (It's marked "+" so > > would > > > > get reviewed in balloting, if we ballot "+" items.) > > > > > > > > - tai is marked "L" but it seems like it should be marked "+" or > > "L+" > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Milicent K Wewerka > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 4:43 AM > > > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > > Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps the items with "+" for other changes should be balloted > > > > > separately with an indication of the nature of the additional > > > changes. > > > > > > > > > > Milicent Wewerka, Library of Congress > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Håvard Hjulstad <[log in to unmask]> 01/09/08 5:34 AM >>> > > > > > > > > > > I agree with Peter's general statement below (and would have > > > > expressed > > > > > that if I had a vote ... :) > > > > > > > > > > Formalities: Do we need a formal ballot? Do we need to split > the > > > > > ballot somehow into individual items? > > > > > > > > > > The following table, which is a combination of table A.1 and > > table > > > 3 > > > > > from FDIS 639-5 should include all items in question. Items > from > > > > table > > > > > A.1 (in green, if the colour coding goes through the email > > > > > distribution > > > > > list) should be identical with the current status of 639-2. > > Items > > > > from > > > > > table 3 of 639-5 (in red) would be the suggested form also for > > Part > > > 2. > > > > > In the last column I have indicated the changes: "L" = change > > > > "(Other)" > > > > > to "languages" in English, and delete the word "autres" in > > French; > > > > "+" > > > > > = > > > > > other changes in Part 2; "-" = no changes needed in Part 2. > > > > > > > > > > Identifier English name French name Table Change > > > > > afa Afro-Asiatic (Other) afro-asiatiques, autres langues > > A.1 > > > > > afa Afro-Asiatic languages afro-asiatiques, langues 3 > > L > > > > > alg Algonquian languages algonquines, langues A.1 > > > > > alg Algonquian languages algonquines, langues 3 - > > > > > apa Apache languages apache A.1 > > > > > apa Apache languages apache, langues 3 + > > > > > art Artificial (Other) artificielles, autres langues > > A.1 > > > > > art Artificial languages artificielles, langues 3 > L > > > > > ath Athapascan languages athapascanes, langues A.1 > > > > > ath Athapascan languages athapascanes, langues 3 - > > > > > aus Australian languages australiennes, langues A.1 > > > > > aus Australian languages australiennes, langues 3 > - > > > > > bad Banda languages banda, langues A.1 > > > > > bad Banda languages banda, langues 3 - > > > > > bai Bamileke languages bamilékés, langues A.1 > > > > > bai Bamileke languages bamiléké, langues 3 - > > > > > bat Baltic (Other) baltiques, autres langues A.1 > > > > > bat Baltic languages baltiques, langues 3 L > > > > > ber Berber (Other) berbères, autres langues A.1 > > > > > ber Berber languages berbères, langues 3 L > > > > > bnt Bantu (Other) bantoues, autres langues A.1 > > > > > bnt Bantu languages bantoues, langues 3 > > L > > > > > btk Batak languages batak, langues A.1 > > > > > btk Batak languages batak, langues 3 - > > > > > cai Central American Indian (Other) indiennes d'Amérique > > > centrale, > > > > autres langues A.1 > > > > > cai Central American Indian languages indiennes > > > d'Amérique > > > > centrale, langues 3 L > > > > > car Carib caribe A.1 > > > > > car Carib languages caribes, langues 3 > > + > > > > > cau Caucasian (Other) caucasiennes, autres langues > A.1 > > > > > cau Caucasian languages caucasiennes, langues 3 L > > > > > cel Celtic (Other) celtiques, autres langues A.1 > > > > > cel Celtic languages celtiques, langues 3 L > > > > > cmc Chamic languages chames, langues A.1 > > > > > cmc Chamic languages chames, langues 3 - > > > > > cpe Creoles and pidgins, English-based (Other) créoles > > et > > > > pidgins anglais, autres A.1 > > > > > cpe Creoles and pidgins, English-based créoles et > > pidgins > > > > anglais 3 + > > > > > cpf Creoles and pidgins, French-based (Other) créoles > > et > > > > pidgins français, autres A.1 > > > > > cpf Creoles and pidgins, French-based créoles et > > pidgins > > > > français 3 + > > > > > cpp Creoles and pidgins, Portuguese-based (Other) créoles > > et > > > > pidgins portugais, autres A.1 > > > > > cpp Creoles and pidgins, Portuguese-based créoles et > > pidgins > > > > portugais 3 + > > > > > crp Creoles and pidgins (Other) créoles et pidgins > > divers > > > > A.1 > > > > > crp Creoles and pidgins créoles et pidgins 3 + > > > > > cus Cushitic (Other) couchitiques, autres langues > A.1 > > > > > cus Cushitic languages couchitiques, langues 3 L > > > > > dra Dravidian (Other) dravidiennes, autres langues > A.1 > > > > > dra Dravidian languages dravidiennes, langues 3 L > > > > > fiu Finno-Ugrian (Other) finno-ougriennes, autres > langues > > > A.1 > > > > > fiu Finno-Ugrian languages finno-ougriennes, langues 3 > > L > > > > > gem Germanic (Other) germaniques, autres langues A.1 > > > > > gem Germanic languages germaniques, langues 3 L > > > > > ijo Ijo languages ijo, langues A.1 > > > > > ijo Ijo languages ijo, langues 3 - > > > > > inc Indic (Other) indo-aryennes, autres langues > > A.1 > > > > > inc Indic languages indo-aryennes, langues 3 > > L > > > > > ine Indo-European (Other) indo-européennes, autres > langues > > > A.1 > > > > > ine Indo-European languages indo-européennes, langues 3 > > L > > > > > ira Iranian (Other) iraniennes, autres langues A.1 > > > > > ira Iranian languages iraniennes, langues 3 L > > > > > iro Iroquoian languages iroquoises, langues (famille) > > > > A.1 > > > > > iro Iroquoian languages iroquoises, langues 3 + > > > > > kar Karen languages karen, langues A.1 > > > > > kar Karen languages karen, langues 3 - > > > > > khi Khoisan (Other) khoisan, autres langues A.1 > > > > > khi Khoisan languages khoïsan, langues 3 L > > > > > kro Kru languages krou, langues A.1 > > > > > kro Kru languages krou, langues 3 - > > > > > map Austronesian (Other) malayo-polynésiennes, autres > > > langues > > > > A.1 > > > > > map Austronesian languages austronésiennes, langues 3 > > L > > > + > > > > > mkh Mon-Khmer (Other) môn-khmer, autres langues A.1 > > > > > mkh Mon-Khmer languages môn-khmer, langues 3 L > > > > > mno Manobo languages manobo, langues A.1 > > > > > mno Manobo languages manobo, langues 3 - > > > > > mun Munda languages mounda, langues A.1 > > > > > mun Munda languages mounda, langues 3 - > > > > > myn Mayan languages maya, langues A.1 > > > > > myn Mayan languages mayas, langues 3 + > > > > > nah Nahuatl languages nahuatl, langues A.1 > > > > > nah Nahuatl languages nahuatl, langues 3 - > > > > > nai North American Indian (Other) indiennes d'Amérique du > > > Nord, > > > > autres langues A.1 > > > > > nai North American Indian languages indiennes d'Amérique du > > > Nord, > > > > langues 3 + > > > > > nic Niger-Kordofanian (Other) nigéro-congolaises, > > autres > > > > langues A.1 > > > > > nic Niger-Kordofanian languages nigéro-kordofaniennes, > > > > langues 3 L > > > > > nub Nubian languages nubiennes, langues A.1 > > > > > nub Nubian languages nubiennes, langues 3 - > > > > > oto Otomian languages otomangue, langues A.1 > > > > > oto Otomian languages otomi, langues 3 + > > > > > paa Papuan (Other) papoues, autres langues A.1 > > > > > paa Papuan languages papoues, langues 3 L > > > > > phi Philippine (Other) philippines, autres langues A.1 > > > > > phi Philippine languages philippines, langues 3 L > > > > > pra Prakrit languages prâkrit A.1 > > > > > pra Prakrit languages prâkrits, langues 3 + > > > > > roa Romance (Other) romanes, autres langues A.1 > > > > > roa Romance languages romanes, langues 3 L > > > > > sai South American Indian (Other) indiennes d'Amérique du > > Sud, > > > > autres langues A.1 > > > > > sai South American Indian languages indiennes d'Amérique du > > Sud, > > > > langues 3 L > > > > > sal Salishan languages salish, langues A.1 > > > > > sal Salishan languages salish, langues 3 - > > > > > sem Semitic (Other) sémitiques, autres langues A.1 > > > > > sem Semitic languages sémitiques, langues 3 L > > > > > sgn sign languages langues des signes A.1 > > > > > sgn sign languages langues des signes 3 > > - > > > > > sio Siouan languages sioux, langues A.1 > > > > > sio Siouan languages sioux, langues 3 - > > > > > sit Sino-Tibetan (Other) sino-tibétaines, autres langues > > A.1 > > > > > sit Sino-Tibetan languages sino-tibétaines, langues 3 > > L > > > > > sla Slavic (Other) slaves, autres langues A.1 > > > > > sla Slavic languages slaves, langues 3 L > > > > > smi Sami languages (Other) sami, autres langues A.1 > > > > > smi Sami languages sames, langues 3 (L) > > > > > son Songhai languages songhai, langues A.1 > > > > > son Songhai languages songhai, langues 3 - > > > > > ssa Nilo-Saharan (Other) nilo-sahariennes, autres > langues > > > A.1 > > > > > ssa Nilo-Saharan languages nilo-sahariennes, langues 3 > > L > > > > > tai Tai (Other) thaïes, autres langues A.1 > > > > > tai Tai languages tai, langues 3 L > > > > > tup Tupi languages tupi, langues A.1 > > > > > tup Tupi languages tupi, langues 3 - > > > > > tut Altaic (Other) altaïques, autres langues A.1 > > > > > tut Altaic languages altaïques, langues 3 L > > > > > wak Wakashan languages wakashennes, langues A.1 > > > > > wak Wakashan languages wakash, langues 3 + > > > > > wen Sorbian languages sorabes, langues A.1 > > > > > wen Sorbian languages sorabes, langues 3 - > > > > > ypk Yupik languages yupik, langues A.1 > > > > > ypk Yupik languages yupik, langues 3 - > > > > > znd Zande languages zandé, langues A.1 > > > > > znd Zande languages zandé, langues 3 - > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Håvard > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > > > > Håvard Hjulstad > > > > > Standard Norge / Standards Norway > > > > > [log in to unmask] > > > > > -------------------- > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Peter Constable > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 12:39 AM > > > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > > Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections > > > > > > > > > > > From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Rebecca S. Guenther > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So if we were to change the (Other) to Languages, would that > > help > > > > > with > > > > > > the IETF concerns? > > > > > > > > > > Yes. The biggest IETF concerns have to do with stability of the > > > > > semantic/ID association. Making that change eliminates the > > inherent > > > > > instability. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks very much. > > > > > > > > > > Peter