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I agree with Peter's general statement below (and would have expressed that if I had a vote ...  :)

Formalities: Do we need a formal ballot? Do we need to split the ballot somehow into individual items?

The following table, which is a combination of table A.1 and table 3 from FDIS 639-5 should include all items in question. Items from table A.1 (in green, if the colour coding goes through the email distribution list) should be identical with the current status of 639-2. Items from table 3 of 639-5 (in red) would be the suggested form also for Part 2. In the last column I have indicated the changes: "L" = change "(Other)" to "languages" in English, and delete the word "autres" in French; "+" = other changes in Part 2; "-" = no changes needed in Part 2.

Identifier	English name	French name	Table	Change	
afa	Afro-Asiatic (Other)	afro-asiatiques, autres langues	A.1		
afa	Afro-Asiatic languages	afro-asiatiques, langues	3	L	
alg	Algonquian languages	algonquines, langues	A.1		
alg	Algonquian languages	algonquines, langues	3	-	
apa	Apache languages	apache	A.1		
apa	Apache languages	apache, langues	3	+	
art	Artificial (Other)	artificielles, autres langues	A.1		
art	Artificial languages	artificielles, langues	3	L	
ath	Athapascan languages	athapascanes, langues	A.1		
ath	Athapascan languages	athapascanes, langues	3	-	
aus	Australian languages	australiennes, langues	A.1		
aus	Australian languages	australiennes, langues	3	-	
bad	Banda languages	banda, langues	A.1		
bad	Banda languages	banda, langues	3	-	
bai	Bamileke languages	bamilékés, langues	A.1		
bai	Bamileke languages	bamiléké, langues	3	-	
bat	Baltic (Other)	baltiques, autres langues	A.1		
bat	Baltic languages	baltiques, langues	3	L	
ber	Berber (Other)	berbères, autres langues	A.1		
ber	Berber languages	berbères, langues	3	L	
bnt	Bantu (Other)	bantoues, autres langues	A.1		
bnt	Bantu languages	bantoues, langues	3	L	
btk	Batak languages	batak, langues	A.1		
btk	Batak languages	batak, langues	3	-	
cai	Central American Indian (Other)	indiennes d'Amérique centrale, autres langues	A.1		
cai	Central American Indian languages	indiennes d'Amérique centrale, langues	3	L	
car	Carib	caribe	A.1		
car	Carib languages	caribes, langues	3	+	
cau	Caucasian (Other)	caucasiennes, autres langues	A.1		
cau	Caucasian languages	caucasiennes, langues	3	L	
cel	Celtic (Other)	celtiques, autres langues	A.1		
cel	Celtic languages	celtiques, langues	3	L	
cmc	Chamic languages	chames, langues	A.1		
cmc	Chamic languages	chames, langues	3	-	
cpe	Creoles and pidgins, English-based (Other)	créoles et pidgins anglais, autres	A.1		
cpe	Creoles and pidgins, English-based	créoles et pidgins anglais	3	+	
cpf	Creoles and pidgins, French-based (Other)	créoles et pidgins français, autres	A.1		
cpf	Creoles and pidgins, French-based	créoles et pidgins français	3	+	
cpp	Creoles and pidgins, Portuguese-based (Other)	créoles et pidgins portugais, autres	A.1		
cpp	Creoles and pidgins, Portuguese-based	créoles et pidgins portugais	3	+	
crp	Creoles and pidgins (Other)	créoles et pidgins divers	A.1		
crp	Creoles and pidgins	créoles et pidgins	3	+	
cus	Cushitic (Other)	couchitiques, autres langues	A.1		
cus	Cushitic languages	couchitiques, langues	3	L	
dra	Dravidian (Other)	dravidiennes, autres langues	A.1		
dra	Dravidian languages	dravidiennes, langues	3	L	
fiu	Finno-Ugrian (Other)	finno-ougriennes, autres langues	A.1		
fiu	Finno-Ugrian languages	finno-ougriennes, langues	3	L	
gem	Germanic (Other)	germaniques, autres langues	A.1		
gem	Germanic languages	germaniques, langues	3	L	
ijo	Ijo languages	ijo, langues	A.1		
ijo	Ijo languages	ijo, langues	3	-	
inc	Indic (Other)	indo-aryennes, autres langues	A.1		
inc	Indic languages	indo-aryennes, langues	3	L	
ine	Indo-European (Other)	indo-européennes, autres langues	A.1		
ine	Indo-European languages	indo-européennes, langues	3	L	
ira	Iranian (Other)	iraniennes, autres langues	A.1		
ira	Iranian languages	iraniennes, langues	3	L	
iro	Iroquoian languages	iroquoises, langues (famille)	A.1		
iro	Iroquoian languages	iroquoises, langues	3	+	
kar	Karen languages	karen, langues	A.1		
kar	Karen languages	karen, langues	3	-	
khi	Khoisan (Other)	khoisan, autres langues	A.1		
khi	Khoisan languages	khoïsan, langues	3	L	
kro	Kru languages	krou, langues	A.1		
kro	Kru languages	krou, langues	3	-	
map	Austronesian (Other)	malayo-polynésiennes, autres langues	A.1		
map	Austronesian languages	austronésiennes, langues	3	L +	
mkh	Mon-Khmer (Other)	môn-khmer, autres langues	A.1		
mkh	Mon-Khmer languages	môn-khmer, langues	3	L	
mno	Manobo languages	manobo, langues	A.1		
mno	Manobo languages	manobo, langues	3	-	
mun	Munda languages	mounda, langues	A.1		
mun	Munda languages	mounda, langues	3	-	
myn	Mayan languages	maya, langues	A.1		
myn	Mayan languages	mayas, langues	3	+	
nah	Nahuatl languages	nahuatl, langues	A.1		
nah	Nahuatl languages	nahuatl, langues	3	-	
nai	North American Indian (Other)	indiennes d'Amérique du Nord, autres langues	A.1		
nai	North American Indian languages	indiennes d'Amérique du Nord, langues	3	+	
nic	Niger-Kordofanian (Other)	nigéro-congolaises, autres langues	A.1		
nic	Niger-Kordofanian languages	nigéro-kordofaniennes, langues	3	L	
nub	Nubian languages	nubiennes, langues	A.1		
nub	Nubian languages	nubiennes, langues	3	-	
oto	Otomian languages	otomangue, langues	A.1		
oto	Otomian languages	otomi, langues	3	+	
paa	Papuan (Other)	papoues, autres langues	A.1		
paa	Papuan languages	papoues, langues	3	L	
phi	Philippine (Other)	philippines, autres langues	A.1		
phi	Philippine languages	philippines, langues	3	L	
pra	Prakrit languages	prâkrit	A.1		
pra	Prakrit languages	prâkrits, langues	3	+	
roa	Romance (Other)	romanes, autres langues	A.1		
roa	Romance languages	romanes, langues	3	L	
sai	South American Indian (Other)	indiennes d'Amérique du Sud, autres langues	A.1		
sai	South American Indian languages	indiennes d'Amérique du Sud, langues	3	L	
sal	Salishan languages	salish, langues	A.1		
sal	Salishan languages	salish, langues	3	-	
sem	Semitic (Other)	sémitiques, autres langues	A.1		
sem	Semitic languages	sémitiques, langues	3	L	
sgn	sign languages	langues des signes	A.1		
sgn	sign languages	langues des signes	3	-	
sio	Siouan languages	sioux, langues	A.1		
sio	Siouan languages	sioux, langues	3	-	
sit	Sino-Tibetan (Other)	sino-tibétaines, autres langues	A.1		
sit	Sino-Tibetan languages	sino-tibétaines, langues	3	L	
sla	Slavic (Other)	slaves, autres langues	A.1		
sla	Slavic languages	slaves, langues	3	L	
smi	Sami languages (Other)	sami, autres langues	A.1		
smi	Sami languages	sames, langues	3	(L)	
son	Songhai languages	songhai, langues	A.1		
son	Songhai languages	songhai, langues	3	-	
ssa	Nilo-Saharan (Other)	nilo-sahariennes, autres langues	A.1		
ssa	Nilo-Saharan languages	nilo-sahariennes, langues	3	L	
tai	Tai (Other)	thaïes, autres langues	A.1		
tai	Tai languages	tai, langues	3	L	
tup	Tupi languages	tupi, langues	A.1		
tup	Tupi languages	tupi, langues	3	-	
tut	Altaic (Other)	altaïques, autres langues	A.1		
tut	Altaic languages	altaïques, langues	3	L	
wak	Wakashan languages	wakashennes, langues	A.1		
wak	Wakashan languages	wakash, langues	3	+	
wen	Sorbian languages	sorabes, langues	A.1		
wen	Sorbian languages	sorabes, langues	3	-	
ypk	Yupik languages	yupik, langues	A.1		
ypk	Yupik languages	yupik, langues	3	-	
znd	Zande languages	zandé, langues	A.1		
znd	Zande languages	zandé, langues	3	-	

Best regards,
Håvard

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Håvard Hjulstad
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-----Original Message-----
From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Peter Constable
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 12:39 AM
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Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections

> From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On 
> Behalf Of Rebecca S. Guenther


> So if we were to change the (Other) to Languages, would that help with 
> the IETF concerns?

Yes. The biggest IETF concerns have to do with stability of the semantic/ID association. Making that change eliminates the inherent instability.



Thanks very much.

Peter