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Thanks, Havard. If I count right, there are 17 "+" items we'd be balloting, if we agreed on balloting all and only those items.


Peter


> -----Original Message-----
> From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Håvard Hjulstad
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:27 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections
>
>
> Thank you, Peter. I have made the corrections in the table:
> nai : L
> Nic : L +
> Smi : L +
> Tai : L +
>
> Going through the table once more I also found the following changes
> appropriate:
> Bai : changed from - to +
> Khi : changed from L to L +
>
> The Creoles and pidgins are "actually" of the "L category", but I have
> marked them "L +" since we cannot insert the word "languages".
>
> All "+ changes" are based on input from experts during the development
> of 639-5.
>
> The new table is enclosed as document JAC N 60 (as Word and pdf files).
> It is also available on the ISO Livelink system (in the JAC folder
> under ISO/TC 37).
>
> Best regards,
> Håvard
>
> --------------------
> Håvard Hjulstad
>   Standard Norge / Standards Norway
>   [log in to unmask]
> --------------------
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Peter Constable
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:03 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections
>
> I agree: vote on "+" items but not others.
>
> A few comments on the table:
>
> - nai is marked "+" but it seems like it should be "L"
>
> - nic is marked "L" but it seems like it should be marked "+" or "L+"
>
> - smi: the French name from table 3 is "sames, langues" rather than
> "sami, langues"; I assume that's intended? (It's marked "+" so would
> get reviewed in balloting, if we ballot "+" items.)
>
> - tai is marked "L" but it seems like it should be marked "+" or "L+"
>
>
> Peter
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > Behalf Of Milicent K Wewerka
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 4:43 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections
> >
> > Perhaps the items with "+" for other changes should be balloted
> > separately with an indication of the nature of the additional changes.
> >
> > Milicent Wewerka, Library of Congress
> >
> >
> > >>> Håvard  Hjulstad <[log in to unmask]> 01/09/08 5:34 AM >>>
> >
> > I agree with Peter's general statement below (and would have
> expressed
> > that if I had a vote ...  :)
> >
> > Formalities: Do we need a formal ballot? Do we need to split the
> > ballot somehow into individual items?
> >
> > The following table, which is a combination of table A.1 and table 3
> > from FDIS 639-5 should include all items in question. Items from
> table
> > A.1 (in green, if the colour coding goes through the email
> > distribution
> > list) should be identical with the current status of 639-2. Items
> from
> > table 3 of 639-5 (in red) would be the suggested form also for Part 2.
> > In the last column I have indicated the changes: "L" = change
> "(Other)"
> > to "languages" in English, and delete the word "autres" in French;
> "+"
> > =
> > other changes in Part 2; "-" = no changes needed in Part 2.
> >
> > Identifier      English name    French name     Table   Change
> > afa     Afro-Asiatic (Other)    afro-asiatiques, autres langues A.1
> > afa     Afro-Asiatic languages  afro-asiatiques, langues 3       L
> > alg     Algonquian languages    algonquines, langues A.1
> > alg     Algonquian languages    algonquines, langues 3       -
> > apa     Apache languages        apache  A.1
> > apa     Apache languages        apache, langues 3       +
> > art     Artificial (Other)      artificielles, autres langues A.1
> > art     Artificial languages    artificielles, langues 3       L
> > ath     Athapascan languages    athapascanes, langues A.1
> > ath     Athapascan languages    athapascanes, langues 3       -
> > aus     Australian languages    australiennes, langues A.1
> > aus     Australian languages    australiennes, langues 3       -
> > bad     Banda languages         banda, langues  A.1
> > bad     Banda languages         banda, langues  3       -
> > bai     Bamileke languages      bamilékés, langues A.1
> > bai     Bamileke languages      bamiléké, langues 3       -
> > bat     Baltic (Other)          baltiques, autres langues A.1
> > bat     Baltic languages        baltiques, langues 3       L
> > ber     Berber (Other)          berbères, autres langues A.1
> > ber     Berber languages        berbères, langues 3       L
> > bnt     Bantu (Other)           bantoues, autres langues A.1
> > bnt     Bantu languages         bantoues, langues       3       L
> > btk     Batak languages         batak, langues  A.1
> > btk     Batak languages         batak, langues  3       -
> > cai     Central American Indian (Other) indiennes d'Amérique centrale,
> autres langues  A.1
> > cai     Central American Indian languages       indiennes d'Amérique
> centrale, langues       3       L
> > car     Carib                   caribe  A.1
> > car     Carib languages         caribes, langues        3       +
> > cau     Caucasian (Other)       caucasiennes, autres langues A.1
> > cau     Caucasian languages     caucasiennes, langues 3       L
> > cel     Celtic (Other)          celtiques, autres langues A.1
> > cel     Celtic languages        celtiques, langues 3       L
> > cmc     Chamic languages        chames, langues A.1
> > cmc     Chamic languages        chames, langues 3       -
> > cpe     Creoles and pidgins, English-based (Other)      créoles et
> pidgins anglais, autres A.1
> > cpe     Creoles and pidgins, English-based      créoles et pidgins
> anglais 3       +
> > cpf     Creoles and pidgins, French-based (Other)       créoles et
> pidgins français, autres        A.1
> > cpf     Creoles and pidgins, French-based       créoles et pidgins
> français        3       +
> > cpp     Creoles and pidgins, Portuguese-based (Other)   créoles et
> pidgins portugais, autres       A.1
> > cpp     Creoles and pidgins, Portuguese-based   créoles et pidgins
> portugais       3       +
> > crp     Creoles and pidgins (Other)     créoles et pidgins divers
> A.1
> > crp     Creoles and pidgins     créoles et pidgins 3       +
> > cus     Cushitic (Other)        couchitiques, autres langues A.1
> > cus     Cushitic languages      couchitiques, langues 3       L
> > dra     Dravidian (Other)       dravidiennes, autres langues A.1
> > dra     Dravidian languages     dravidiennes, langues 3       L
> > fiu     Finno-Ugrian (Other)    finno-ougriennes, autres langues A.1
> > fiu     Finno-Ugrian languages  finno-ougriennes, langues 3       L
> > gem     Germanic (Other)        germaniques, autres langues A.1
> > gem     Germanic languages      germaniques, langues 3       L
> > ijo     Ijo languages           ijo, langues    A.1
> > ijo     Ijo languages           ijo, langues    3       -
> > inc     Indic (Other)           indo-aryennes, autres langues A.1
> > inc     Indic languages         indo-aryennes, langues  3       L
> > ine     Indo-European (Other)   indo-européennes, autres langues A.1
> > ine     Indo-European languages indo-européennes, langues 3       L
> > ira     Iranian (Other)         iraniennes, autres langues A.1
> > ira     Iranian languages       iraniennes, langues 3       L
> > iro     Iroquoian languages     iroquoises, langues (famille)
> A.1
> > iro     Iroquoian languages     iroquoises, langues 3       +
> > kar     Karen languages         karen, langues  A.1
> > kar     Karen languages         karen, langues  3       -
> > khi     Khoisan (Other)         khoisan, autres langues A.1
> > khi     Khoisan languages       khoïsan, langues 3       L
> > kro     Kru languages           krou, langues   A.1
> > kro     Kru languages           krou, langues   3       -
> > map     Austronesian (Other)    malayo-polynésiennes, autres langues
> A.1
> > map     Austronesian languages  austronésiennes, langues 3       L +
> > mkh     Mon-Khmer (Other)       môn-khmer, autres langues A.1
> > mkh     Mon-Khmer languages     môn-khmer, langues 3       L
> > mno     Manobo languages        manobo, langues A.1
> > mno     Manobo languages        manobo, langues 3       -
> > mun     Munda languages         mounda, langues A.1
> > mun     Munda languages         mounda, langues 3       -
> > myn     Mayan languages         maya, langues   A.1
> > myn     Mayan languages         mayas, langues  3       +
> > nah     Nahuatl languages       nahuatl, langues A.1
> > nah     Nahuatl languages       nahuatl, langues 3       -
> > nai     North American Indian (Other)   indiennes d'Amérique du Nord,
> autres langues  A.1
> > nai     North American Indian languages indiennes d'Amérique du Nord,
> langues 3       +
> > nic     Niger-Kordofanian (Other)       nigéro-congolaises, autres
> langues A.1
> > nic     Niger-Kordofanian languages     nigéro-kordofaniennes,
> langues 3       L
> > nub     Nubian languages        nubiennes, langues A.1
> > nub     Nubian languages        nubiennes, langues 3       -
> > oto     Otomian languages       otomangue, langues A.1
> > oto     Otomian languages       otomi, langues  3       +
> > paa     Papuan (Other)          papoues, autres langues A.1
> > paa     Papuan languages        papoues, langues 3       L
> > phi     Philippine (Other)      philippines, autres langues A.1
> > phi     Philippine languages    philippines, langues 3       L
> > pra     Prakrit languages       prâkrit A.1
> > pra     Prakrit languages       prâkrits, langues 3       +
> > roa     Romance (Other)         romanes, autres langues A.1
> > roa     Romance languages       romanes, langues 3       L
> > sai     South American Indian (Other)   indiennes d'Amérique du Sud,
> autres langues  A.1
> > sai     South American Indian languages indiennes d'Amérique du Sud,
> langues 3       L
> > sal     Salishan languages      salish, langues A.1
> > sal     Salishan languages      salish, langues 3       -
> > sem     Semitic (Other)         sémitiques, autres langues A.1
> > sem     Semitic languages       sémitiques, langues 3       L
> > sgn     sign languages          langues des signes      A.1
> > sgn     sign languages          langues des signes      3       -
> > sio     Siouan languages        sioux, langues  A.1
> > sio     Siouan languages        sioux, langues  3       -
> > sit     Sino-Tibetan (Other)    sino-tibétaines, autres langues A.1
> > sit     Sino-Tibetan languages  sino-tibétaines, langues 3       L
> > sla     Slavic (Other)  slaves, autres langues  A.1
> > sla     Slavic languages        slaves, langues 3       L
> > smi     Sami languages (Other)  sami, autres langues A.1
> > smi     Sami languages          sames, langues  3       (L)
> > son     Songhai languages       songhai, langues A.1
> > son     Songhai languages       songhai, langues 3       -
> > ssa     Nilo-Saharan (Other)    nilo-sahariennes, autres langues A.1
> > ssa     Nilo-Saharan languages  nilo-sahariennes, langues 3       L
> > tai     Tai (Other)             thaïes, autres langues  A.1
> > tai     Tai languages           tai, langues    3       L
> > tup     Tupi languages          tupi, langues   A.1
> > tup     Tupi languages          tupi, langues   3       -
> > tut     Altaic (Other)          altaïques, autres langues A.1
> > tut     Altaic languages        altaïques, langues 3       L
> > wak     Wakashan languages      wakashennes, langues A.1
> > wak     Wakashan languages      wakash, langues 3       +
> > wen     Sorbian languages       sorabes, langues A.1
> > wen     Sorbian languages       sorabes, langues 3       -
> > ypk     Yupik languages         yupik, langues  A.1
> > ypk     Yupik languages         yupik, langues  3       -
> > znd     Zande languages         zandé, langues  A.1
> > znd     Zande languages         zandé, langues  3       -
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Håvard
> >
> > --------------------
> > Håvard Hjulstad
> >   Standard Norge / Standards Norway
> >   [log in to unmask]
> > --------------------
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > Behalf Of Peter Constable
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 12:39 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections
> >
> > > From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > > Behalf Of Rebecca S. Guenther
> >
> >
> > > So if we were to change the (Other) to Languages, would that help
> > with
> > > the IETF concerns?
> >
> > Yes. The biggest IETF concerns have to do with stability of the
> > semantic/ID association. Making that change eliminates the inherent
> > instability.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks very much.
> >
> > Peter