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Checked em already. Neither seems to have a pre-made solution. All require wiring. I was trying to 
avoid hours with the soldering iron or punchdown tool but there may be not option if I want to use 
old-school patchcords on the front.

Cost-wise, especially considering the value of my time, it's probably a much better deal to just buy 
a decent-grade "headphone" type panel with switchable normalling and just buy a pack or two of the 
"new school" patchcords. And there's also the fact that 5 years of scrambling behind racks and tape 
decks when I need to change something for a specific job hasn't resulted in one problem yet. In 
fact, I had one client specifically request that everything be direct-connected with the shortest 
cable lengths possible and he provided his own super-priced wires. I smiled and bit my tongue from 
mentioning that the sound ultimate travels on both ends over tiny traces on circuit boards and 
inside even tinier chips.

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Durenberger" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] patchbay question


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> Mark Durenberger
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tom Fine" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:19 AM
> Subject: [ARSCLIST] patchbay question
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>> Sorry in advance for the cross-postings.
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>> Does anyone make a patchbay panel that allows use of old-school telephone type 1/4" (not bantam) 
>> TRS cables on the front panel and has newer-school "headphone" type 1/4" TRS jacks on the back 
>> panel? And I'd want swichable normaling between top and bottom rows, option available for each 
>> top-bottom pair. I can't find any such beast in my googling. Seems like if it's got "headphone" 
>> jacks on the back, that's what's used on the front. I'm looking for a stock solution here, if 
>> it's gotta be hundreds of dollars custom to get what I want then it becomes worth the labor-time 
>> to just solder-wire my own panels.
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>> Thanks in advance for any/all tips.
>>
>> -- Tom Fine
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