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That painter got around! ;-)

--Adam


On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Greg Smith wrote:

> And what about:
> El Greco y el ciudad Romano del tiempo antico
> ???
> [sorry--I couldn't resist a little cataloging humor at the end of a hot
> summer's week]
> --Greg
>
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> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] El Greco - to file on "El" or not in titles
>
>
> It seems the 2nd indicator in this case should be "0" according to LCRI
> 21.30J and LCRI 22.4:
>
>
> LCRI 21.30J:
> Retain initial articles and record an appropriate value in the non-filing
> indicator (indicator position 2). Use value "0" when an article is to be
> filed on as follows:
>   a) the title begins with an article that appears as part of a personal,
> geographic, or corporate name and is retained in such a name according to
> LCRI 22.4, LCRI 23.2, or AACR2 rule 24.5A;
>
> LCRI 22.4:
> If the language is not Arabic, Hebrew, Yiddish, or Urdu, retain initial
> articles at the beginning of the entry element.
>
>
> I am wondering why the article "El" was not retained in the heading when it
> was established.  Was there any particular reason?
>
> Sun Zehua
> Principal Cataloger
> Hong Kong University of Science and Technology Library
>
> Adam L. Schiff wrote:
>
> I've found a mix of practice in both OCLC and our local catalog as to
> whether the initial article "El" in "El Greco" should be skipped when it is
> at the start of a title, such as:
>
> El Greco and his school
> El Greco in the collection of the Hispanic Society of America
> El Greco revisited
> El Greco in Italy and Italian art
> El Greco to Goya
> El Greco y el arte de su tiempo
> El Greco kommentiert den Wettstreit der Kunste
>
> So what do you all think?  Should the second indicator in field 245 for
> these titles be 0 or 3?  Is there a definitive answer that we could arrive
> at?  For the record, the personal name heading is established as:
> Greco, $d 1541?-1614.
>
> I've seen similar discrepancies with titles beginning with Le Corbusier, but
> the predominant coding of the second indicator is 0.  In this case, his
> heading is established as Le Corbusier, 1887-1965, so it seems clear that
> the initial article in the name is not to be ignored.
>
> Le Corbusier et l'architecture sacree
> Le Corbusier secret
> Le Corbusier and the concept of self
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam
>
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