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Adam,

We had this conversation at NYU not too long ago (and reached no solid conclusion) and I sent the question on to the arlis-cpdg list (ARLIS/NA cataloging problems discussion group). You can read the list archive at http://lists.nyu.edu/read/?forum=arlis-cpdg (thread dated 05-31-2008). That conversation didn't go very far nor reach much conclusion.

If I have a common practice, I'd say I generally try to match the start of the title browse at the same point the heading would start, so Greco and Le Corbusier. This is true especially if the language seems to be in agreement, that is, titles in Spanish under Greco. At the same time, as I look at your list of sample titles, I can imagine setting the non-filing indicator for all of the titles in English to zero.

Le Corbusier doesn't trouble me as much as El Greco since we may say "Corbu" but we probably don't think Corbusier is his name, perhaps this is because there's a happy confluence of English and French expectancy.

Or as we say to the user, have you tried keyword?

Sherman Clarke
New York University Libraries
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From: "Adam L. Schiff" <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:58 pm
Subject: [PCCLIST] El Greco - to file on "El" or not in titles
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> I've found a mix of practice in both OCLC and our local catalog as to 
> 
>  whether the initial article "El" in "El Greco" should be skipped when 
> it 
>  is at the start of a title, such as:
>  
>  El Greco and his school
>  El Greco in the collection of the Hispanic Society of America
>  El Greco revisited
>  El Greco in Italy and Italian art
>  El Greco to Goya
>  El Greco y el arte de su tiempo
>  El Greco kommentiert den Wettstreit der Kunste
>  
>  So what do you all think?  Should the second indicator in field 245 
> for 
>  these titles be 0 or 3?  Is there a definitive answer that we could 
> arrive 
>  at?  For the record, the personal name heading is established as:
>  Greco, $d 1541?-1614.
>  
>  I've seen similar discrepancies with titles beginning with Le 
> Corbusier, 
>  but the predominant coding of the second indicator is 0.  In this 
> case, 
>  his heading is established as Le Corbusier, 1887-1965, so it seems 
> clear 
>  that the initial article in the name is not to be ignored.
>  
>  Le Corbusier et l'architecture sacree
>  Le Corbusier secret
>  Le Corbusier and the concept of self
>  
>  Thanks,
>  
>  Adam
>  
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