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Is this El Greco the painter or the place? ;-) Zehua Greg Smith wrote: > And what about: > El Greco y el ciudad Romano del tiempo antico > ??? > [sorry--I couldn't resist a little cataloging humor at the end of a > hot summer's week] > --Greg > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *lbsun > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2008 10:45 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [PCCLIST] El Greco - to file on "El" or not in titles > > It seems the 2nd indicator in this case should be "0" according to > LCRI 21.30J and LCRI 22.4: > > LCRI 21.30J: > Retain initial articles and record an appropriate value in the > non-filing indicator (indicator position 2). Use value "0" > when an article is to be filed on as follows: > a) the title begins with an article that appears as part of > a personal, geographic, or corporate name and is retained in > such a name according to LCRI 22.4, LCRI 23.2, or AACR2 rule > 24.5A; > > LCRI 22.4: > If the language is not Arabic, Hebrew, Yiddish, or Urdu, > retain initial articles at the beginning of the entry element. > > I am wondering why the article "El" was not retained in the > heading when it was established. Was there any particular reason? > > Sun Zehua > Principal Cataloger > Hong Kong University of Science and Technology Library > > Adam L. Schiff wrote: >> I've found a mix of practice in both OCLC and our local catalog >> as to whether the initial article "El" in "El Greco" should be >> skipped when it is at the start of a title, such as: >> >> El Greco and his school >> El Greco in the collection of the Hispanic Society of America >> El Greco revisited >> El Greco in Italy and Italian art >> El Greco to Goya >> El Greco y el arte de su tiempo >> El Greco kommentiert den Wettstreit der Kunste >> >> So what do you all think? Should the second indicator in field >> 245 for these titles be 0 or 3? Is there a definitive answer >> that we could arrive at? For the record, the personal name >> heading is established as: >> Greco, $d 1541?-1614. >> >> I've seen similar discrepancies with titles beginning with Le >> Corbusier, but the predominant coding of the second indicator is >> 0. In this case, his heading is established as Le Corbusier, >> 1887-1965, so it seems clear that the initial article in the name >> is not to be ignored. >> >> Le Corbusier et l'architecture sacree >> Le Corbusier secret >> Le Corbusier and the concept of self >> >> Thanks, >> >> Adam >> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> Adam L. Schiff >> Principal Cataloger >> University of Washington Libraries >> Box 352900 >> Seattle, WA 98195-2900 >> (206) 543-8409 >> (206) 685-8782 fax >> [log in to unmask] >> http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >