And what about:
El Greco y el ciudad Romano del tiempo antico
???
[sorry--I couldn't resist a little cataloging humor at the end of a hot summer's week]
--Greg
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Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] El Greco - to file on "El" or not in titles

It seems the 2nd indicator in this case should be "0" according to LCRI 21.30J and LCRI 22.4:
LCRI 21.30J:
Retain initial articles and record an appropriate value in the non-filing indicator (indicator position 2). Use value "0" when an article is to be filed on as follows:
   a) the title begins with an article that appears as part of a personal, geographic, or corporate name and is retained in such a name according to LCRI 22.4, LCRI 23.2, or AACR2 rule 24.5A;

LCRI 22.4:
If the language is not Arabic, Hebrew, Yiddish, or Urdu, retain initial articles at the beginning of the entry element.
I am wondering why the article "El" was not retained in the heading when it was established.  Was there any particular reason?

Sun Zehua
Principal Cataloger
Hong Kong University of Science and Technology Library

Adam L. Schiff wrote:
[log in to unmask] type="cite">I've found a mix of practice in both OCLC and our local catalog as to whether the initial article "El" in "El Greco" should be skipped when it is at the start of a title, such as:

El Greco and his school
El Greco in the collection of the Hispanic Society of America
El Greco revisited
El Greco in Italy and Italian art
El Greco to Goya
El Greco y el arte de su tiempo
El Greco kommentiert den Wettstreit der Kunste

So what do you all think?  Should the second indicator in field 245 for these titles be 0 or 3?  Is there a definitive answer that we could arrive at?  For the record, the personal name heading is established as:
Greco, $d 1541?-1614.

I've seen similar discrepancies with titles beginning with Le Corbusier, but the predominant coding of the second indicator is 0.  In this case, his heading is established as Le Corbusier, 1887-1965, so it seems clear that the initial article in the name is not to be ignored.

Le Corbusier et l'architecture sacree
Le Corbusier secret
Le Corbusier and the concept of self

Thanks,

Adam

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