Thanks Richard, I did mean CF rather than SD cards. I know of a couple of folks that have had both the SD722 and the Korg MR-1000 and most have stayed with their Sound Devices. Most sited better sounding results when using the built-in mic pre's as the main reason. Steve On Aug 31, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Richard L. Hess wrote: > Hello, Steve, > > I think there is confusion somewhere. Perhaps Sound Devices has > announced something that isn't on their website, but I don't see > them moving from Compact Flash to SD cards. I think where we see > SD702 it is a shorthand way of writing Sound Devices 702 and does > not imply the use of an SD (secure digital) memory card. > > Taken from their website http://www.sounddevices.com/products/7.htm > as I'm writing this: > >> The two-track (<http://www.sounddevices.com/products/702.htm>702, >> <http://www.sounddevices.com/products/702t.htm>702T, <http:// >> www.sounddevices.com/products/722.htm>722), four-track (<http:// >> www.sounddevices.com/products/744t.htm>744T), and eight-track >> (<http://www.sounddevices.com/products/788t.htm>788T) recorders >> write and play audio files with either 16 or 24-bit depth at all >> professional sampling rates, up to 192 kHz (48.048 kHz on the 788T). > ... >> The 7-Series recorders write to industry-standard WAV files (with >> Broadcast Wave Metadata). Audio files are recorded to Compact >> Flash cards on all recorders and to internal hard drive on the >> drive-equipped 722, 744T, and 788T. >> >> Audio files can be transferred via FireWire or USB (FireWire 800 >> and USB on 788T only) to a Windows PC or Mac OS computer for post- >> production or archiving. For maximum redundancy, both mediums can >> be recorded on the 722, 744T, and 788T providing a RAID-1 level of >> redundancy to recorded program. > > The 702 and the 722 differ in that the 722 has the internal 40 GB > shock-mounted hard drive and the 702 does not. The 702T has > timecode capability. The multi-track recorders (4- and 8-track) > come with hard-drive AND timecode. I would have preferred a non- > timecode 4-track, but the timecode put it out of my price range. In > fact, getting a second 702 would permit me to record 4 tracks and > have more redundancy for about the same price as the 744T plus > outboard preamps. > > I like the idea of the long record capability of the hard-drive > equipped units, and yes, I use the equivalent of RAID-1 mode on my > 722, recording to the internal hard drive plus the compact flash card. > > For some important recordings, I've also recorded to an external > hard drive via the FireWire port (which can either connect to an > outboard drive OR to a PC). So, I've had three media recordings: > internal HD, external HD, compact flash. If any one fails, it will > not affect the other two recordings. > > The 722 will power the external drive ONLY if the 722 is powered > from external power. They do not want to load the internal battery > with the external drive. OR you can separately power the external > drive. > > With a year of use of the 722 behind me, I'm not using the external > drive other than an archive of some of the things I've recorded > with the 722. However, I may use it if I have any more all-day > recordings (like five Christmas Eve services at my church) which > wouldn't conveniently fit on a compact flash card. I've semi- > standardized on 4 GB CF cards for my Nikon D200 and my Sound > Devices 722. I may get some 16 GB CF cards for the SD (if not the > Nikon) when the price is right for the faster cards. > > I looked at the link you posted and while the Tascam offers better > dynamic range, the 722 has a range switch that permits different > options for setting levels. I don't know if maximum gain is the > optimum point for maximum dynamic range, but I suspect it is for > equivalent input noise. > > I prefer to look at equivalent input noise of the mic/preamp > combination as the mic self-noise and the preamp noise conspire to > create the acoustic noise floor of the recording. I cannot take the > time right now to explain all of that, but ideally, I think one > should be thinking about how low the self-noise of the recording > system is (in dB SPL) as well as how many dB SPL it can take at the > same time. > > Anyway, IF I ever got a "bump" on the Sound Devices 722 hard drive, > I'd just go and use the compact flash version, but I have not seen > one yet, and I suspect that would cause a data error and would > cause a new file to start. > > The MicroTrak II was quite disappointing. I think the fact that > it's sound quality was on the par with perhaps the best portable > cassette ever made is telling, but I suspect that the cassette had > more flutter than the digi-box. Interestingly, I was torn between > the Sony TCD-5M and the WMD-6C and chose the TCD-5M as I thought it > would be better. I learned later that the WMD-6C actually recorded > better-sounding tapes. I still have the TCD-5M. > http://www.avisoft.com/tutorial_field_recording.htm > > Interesting the recorders that got the +++++ rating for Sound > Quality. It was the usual suspects. I also thought it ironic that > the minidiscs got + for handling! I agree! > > Cheers, > > Richard > > > At 02:32 PM 2008-08-31, carlstephen koto wrote: >> Hey Richard, the MR-1000 has some issues regarding HD vibration >> sensitivity which could have been the origin of the pop. Not placing >> gear that might need to be adjusted on the fly in direct contact with >> the recorder and a stable platform (rather than over the shoulder >> use) seems to eliminate this problem. Another issue is a relatively >> sensitive mic preamp which can overload. Here's a link to some self >> noise comparisons with other solid state recorders; >> http://www.avisoft.com/recordertests.htm >> The newer SD702 is a lower priced version of the 722 and uses SD >> cards and/or an external firewire HD rather than the internal HD. >> With the SD cards, battery life should be greatly improved also. >> Steve Koto >> On Aug 27, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Richard L. Hess wrote: >> >>> At 11:01 AM 2008-08-27, Craig Breaden wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> One of our donors, a collector of traditional songs, has just >>>> purchased a Korg MR-1000 1-bit recorder to do his field recording. >>> ... >>>> I created 44.1/16- >>>> and 24-bit versions using Audiogate, trying to get an idea of >>>> what a >>>> user copy would sound like, and noticed some digital artifacts >>>> thrown >>>> in around what had been, on the original file, a very soft pop >>>> in the >>>> background. This was not encouraging, although I realize I could >>>> render at a higher resolution using Audiogate then create the user >>>> copy using WaveLab. He's on the fence, wondering if he should go >>>> back >>>> to his Tascam, and from some of the discussion last year on the >>>> list >>>> regarding 1-bit, I'm not certain he shouldn't. Any thoughts? >>> >>> Hello, Craig, >>> >>> This is indeed an interesting question. >>> >>> The first question I have for you, is can't he capture in 96/24 on >>> the Korg instead of1 bit DSD? >>> >>> I would like you to evaluate all of the following transfer modes of >>> the audio surrounding this click and report back to us, if you can: >>> >>> MR-1000DSD------------analog-----------studio 96/24 converter >>> MR-1000DSD file-------audiogate----------------96/24 file >>> MR-1000DSD-----------SPDIF/AES--------------96/24 file >>> (I don't know if this is possible since the original was DSD and I >>> don't know if the Korg can do the conversion inside before >>> outputting SPDIF/AES) >>> >>> I'm trying to isolate the problem to the Audiogate software with >>> these tests. We have waaay too many variables. >>> >>> Of course, then downsampling all three in Wavelab to 44.1/16 would >>> need to be tried. >>> >>> I would be willing to downsample all three in Sampitude to 44.1/16 >>> if you wish as one colleague says he can hear a difference between >>> Wavelab and Samplitude, but I have not with the limited use I've >>> put Wavelab to (he's used it a lot more). This is an echo of our >>> thread last week <sigh>! >>> >>> More tests can present themselves, like comparing the Korg in DSD >>> mode vs. 96/24 mode, then comparing the Korg to the Tascam and >>> perhaps a rented Sound Devices 702/722. I selected the SD722 for >>> field recording with a pair of DPA 4006 TL mics--actually I got the >>> SD after I got the mics as I wanted something that would truly do >>> justice to the mics. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> Richard L. Hess email: [log in to unmask] >>> Aurora, Ontario, Canada (905) 713 6733 1-877-TAPE-FIX >>> Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ >>> contact.htm >>> Quality tape transfers -- even from hard-to-play tapes. >> > > Richard L. Hess email: [log in to unmask] > Aurora, Ontario, Canada (905) 713 6733 1-877-TAPE-FIX > Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ > contact.htm > Quality tape transfers -- even from hard-to-play tapes.