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I have that but it's a ten-inch.."My Old Flame". Can't remember whether it's Biltmore or Sentry. dl Robert J Hodge wrote: > If I recall correctly, Duke Ellington is represented on a 12 inch > Biltmore disc in a film soundtrack transfer . With Mae West doing the > vocal, also if memory serves. > > R. Hodge > > -----Original Message----- > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dave Lewis > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:20 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Bix Beiderbecke "reissue" 78's > > No argument here. I have a Biltmore of "Japanese Sandman" which I > treasure as > (a) the likelihood of my finding an original of that side is remote and > (b) I > love freaking out friends with being able to play such a weird record > from 78; > there's something about that you cannot get from playing a CD or LP > reissue, > even though the music is still weird in all formats. > > > David "Uncle Dave" Lewis > Assistant Editor, Classical > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tom Fine > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:50 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Bix Beiderbecke "reissue" 78's > > Thanks Dick. I would guess these Bix sets are dubs. Granted, we have 20 > years' march of technology progress at play here, but there is no > comparison, sound-wise, to the restorations on the Mosaic set of Bix, > Tram and Big Tea. Listmember Doug Pomeroy made some or all of those > disk-to-digital transfers. The sound quality is so supreior, much more > life-like, on the Mosaic set, that I'd say all these 78's are good for > is Victrola fodder -- something to play on the old Victrola to show > "them yung-uns" how their great-grandparents listened to music. > > -- Tom Fine > > PS -- what's the best restoration out there these days for the Bix > Gennett horn-recorded sides? > > PPS -- speaking of horns, is there modern DAW software that does what > Soundstream did with the Caruso recordings, attempts to mitigate the > effects of a horn-recording system? > > PPPS -- I just recently read an article about the latest > digital-re-creation of a famous piano record, the new Art Tatum at the > Shrine album. Apparently, the group that came up with that software is > now adapting it for other instruments and thing they are a handful of > years away from being able re-create the human voice! I have not heard > the Tatum album or the early Glenn Gould album, but they have both > gotten generally good reviews. The thrust of this article was, there may > soon come a time when many different old low-fidelity recordings can be > re-created in a near facsimile of the original playing in a modern > high-fidelity setting. I remain skeptical but I will also say that > people who know piano very well have said and written very good things > about the Gould and Tatum albums, so this group seems to have nailed how > to channel the ghost of a long-gone piano performance. It's interesting > to think about the implications for archives if this technology becomes > common and low-cost. There may be times where careful restoration and > storage is far more expensive than digital re-creation of the material > from a worn-out source. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick Spottswood" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:08 AM > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Bix Beiderbecke "reissue" 78's > > >> Most Columbia pre-WW2 jazz reissues derive from original metal parts, > and >> post-war pressings are always dubs. I suspect that the post-war > popularity >> of record changers prompted new pressings with lead-in and "improved " >> lead-out grooves that activated changer mechanisms more aggressively. >> Sometimes you can spot altered lead -out grooves on pressings from >> original metals. The 1937 Bessie Smith memorial album and four 1933 >> Goodman titles reissued on the special BENNY GOODMAN label (3167-D, >> 3168-D) were all dubbed. They also marked the end of Columbia's 1-D >> series, created in 1923. >> >> Victor reissued a lot of 1920s jazz on Bluebird from the mid-30s > onward, >> from both original and dubbed metals. Album reissue setsof JR Morton, >> McKinney's Cotton Pickers etc. appeared in both Canada and the US. >> Canadian sets use original parts; US equivalents are dubbed. >> >> Victor kept most of its Carter Family and Jimmie Rodgers titles > available >> in the Bluebird and Montgomery Ward catalogs through the 1930s, The > first >> Bluebird B-5000 series reissues were dubbed, just about everything > else >> used original parts. >> >> Dick >> >> >> >> >> >> Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent by: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List > <[log in to unmask]> >> 09/10/2008 05:42 AM >> Please respond to >> Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> >> >> >> To >> [log in to unmask] >> cc >> >> Subject >> Re: [ARSCLIST] Bix Beiderbecke "reissue" 78's >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jeff Wheeler has a book in progress on this isssue-er-reissue > situation. >> Steve Smolian >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Lennick" <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:16 AM >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Bix Beiderbecke "reissue" 78's >> >> >>> Biltmore, not Biltmor..Biltmor was a Canadian label around 1950. > Funny >>> about dropping the final E on common names..there was a label up here >>> called Yorkshir as well. We drop Es and add Us. >>> >>> Biltmore, Temple, Sentry (and a few others) all put out dubs of rare >> jazz >>> 78s. Some of them weren't too atrocious. Some were..but how else were >> you >>> going to say you owned a copy of Zulu's Ball? >>> >>> dl >>> >>> David Lennick wrote: >>>> Sweet Sue was a dub, and there are two versions..the complete > original >>>> (4:25 or so) and one with the "florid introduction" removed. We had > the >>>> set with the complete version but the liner notes were unchanged, so >> for >>>> years I wondered how much longer the original could have been! I > didn't >>>> find the shorter version till just a few years ago. >>>> >>>> And the second album is definitely all dubs, but all the Columbia >> reissue >>>> albums were dubs by this time, like Crosby Classics Volume II. In > fact >>>> Columbia was dubbing older European classical masters as well c. > 1950. >>>> Did Boris Rose have anything to do with Biltmor? I've seen some >> lacquers >>>> where the labels were the blank sides of old Biltmor labels. >>>> >>>> dl >>>> >>>> David Weiner wrote: >>>>> Some of the Columbia reissues - especially the first album, are >> mostly >>>>> master pressings. I think the later album is all dubs. >>>>> >>>>> The Biltmores are definitely all bootleg dubs. >>>>> >>>>> Dave W. >>>>> ---------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Hi All: >>>>> >>>>> I am interested in details about two Bix Beiderbecke reissue 78's. >>>>> >>>>> First of all, the albums put out by Columbia in the late 40's, >> reissues >>>>> of >>>>> Okeh records -- were those made from old metal parts or are they > dubs >> of >>>>> old records? >>>>> >>>>> Second, what's the story on the 78's put out on the Biltmore label? >>>>> These >>>>> seem to be either licensed reissues or bootlegs of old Gennett and >>>>> Victor records, of the Wolverines >>>>> and the Whiteman band. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance for any answers! >>>>> >>>>> -- Tom Fine >>>>> >>>>> >>>> > >