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For those interested, here is a link to the recent lecture at Duquesne U. which I mentioned and there is now a link to the webcast of the presentation by Chris Golde from Stanford she is co-author of a book entitled: The Formation of Scholars: rethinking doctoral education for the twenty-first century (2008) http://www.education.duq.edu/dialogueseries/ Best, Karen W. On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Karen Weaver <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I appreciate and thank you for sharing your experiences on this topic, I do > not believe it to be an issue concerning student/real world sacrifices > anymore, but a sheer lack of supportive and interested faculty. > > We recently had a lecture here at Duquesne on Creating Intellectual > Community I think it was called, but the speaker was a woman from Stanford > University speaking about the results of the Carnegie study on the Doctorate > and what the experience should be like. > I sat there nodding my head the whole hour and left still confused about my > own experience. > Apparently these questions are coming to the forefront of the Academy > radar, across the board, however in LIS, there is a critical lack and it is > not because there is a shortage in the field, but from my view of things, > other competing priorities in the Ivory Tower. It is not even collegial at > some schools, but hostile if you wish to study certain areas, and yes people > will leave on their own or be pushed out at the first chance available. > > Catalogers are now orphans in some doctoral programs it seems (not Drexel), > unless you call yourself something else and hide away. With some efforts, > I believe things could change. > > THank you Hope, for your thoughts & ideas , > Karen > > Karen Weaver, MLS > Adjunct Instructor, Cataloging & Classification > The iSchool at Drexel > PHiladelphia PA > email: [log in to unmask] > > Electronic Resources Statistician > Duquesne University, Gumberg Library > Pittsburgh PA > email: [log in to unmask] > > > > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Hope A Olson <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Yes, we need to thank Danny for this info, however disturbing. I'm >> wondering if part of the problem is residency requirements which definitely >> have pros and cons. When I, after 16 years of practice mainly cataloging or >> managing cataloging, went off to do my PhD it was possible mainly because of >> an unusually generous paid leave from my employer. At that point in life I >> couldn't do the conventional impoverished grad student thing. Even then, I >> spent years 2-5 of my PhD as an assistant prof, but with terrific collegial >> and family support. Anyone less fortunate might well not be able to do it. >> Life does get in the way sometimes. >> >> On the other hand, that year (really two semesters) of residency allowed >> me to think. I wouldn't have been able to do that sort of cerebral work >> without a leave from other responsibilities. When we put together our PhD >> program here at U Wisconsin-Milwaukee we considered an online PhD. We have a >> very successful online MLIS so we know how to teach online. But we felt, at >> least to start, that the PhD should be conventionally onsite. A PhD is a >> collegial degree - in some ways a research apprenticeship. I'm not yet sure >> how to do that online (tho' I won't say it's not possible). >> >> The one thing that I can say with certainty is that at U >> Wisconsin-Milwaukee we do have faculty (current and soon to join us) and >> courses to support doctoral study with a focus on cataloging. Take a look at >> http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/SOIS/academics/doctoral.htm and feel free to >> contact me if you want to know more. >> >> Hope >> >> >> Hope A. Olson, Professor and Associate Dean >> School of Information Studies >> 510G Bolton Hall >> University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee >> Milwaukee, WI 53201 >> USA >> http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/SOIS >> email [log in to unmask] >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Karen Weaver" <[log in to unmask]> >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:05:20 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >> Subject: Re: [eduCAT] So, who has doctoral students in cataloging? >> >> Daniel: Thank you for asking the question -- ! >> >> I would appreciate hearing the results on this too, from my own >> experience, and that of other potential and present doctoral students >> it is a serious concern on many different levels. >> >> Lack of faculty who are supportive in these areas = lack of a strong >> curricula and future in LIS programs. Being 'marginalized' as you may >> know, is a good term to use. The pool of talent exists out there, so there >> are other excuses. >> >> All the best, >> Karen >> >> Karen Weaver, MLS >> Adjunct Instructor, Cataloging & Classification >> The iSchool at Drexel >> Philadelphia PA >> email: [log in to unmask] >> >> Electronic Resources Statistician >> Duquesne University, Gumberg Library >> Pittsburgh PA >> email: [log in to unmask] >> > >