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Dear ISO 639 RAs-JAC members, As you will realize, ISO 639-2 and ISO 639-5 have a number of items in common. During the elaboration of ISO 639-5 it became evident that 639-2 names like "Afro-Asiatic (other)" in English and "afro-asiatiques, autres langues" in French needed to be modified, and ISO 639-5 uses "Afro-Asiatic languages" and "afro-asiatiques, langues" respectively. The intention of this message is to formalize the name change process for the purpose of ISO 639-2, making it in effect an implementation issue whether "afa" means the entire group or those items within the group that don't have individual language identifiers in the subset in question (which for the time being in effect means ISO 639-2). If you feel you need a specific discussion relating to any individual items, please make a comment to that effect. All items that haven't been singled out for individual processing, will be changed in one ballot following this initial process. The list below contains items in ISO 639-5 that are also included in ISO 639-2, but that currently have different names in the tables of the two parts. In most, but not all, cases this applies to both English and French names. Please comment (within 25 November) on the table below by identifying any items that may need special consideration. id "new" English names previous 639-2 English names "new" French names previous 639-2 French names afa Afro-Asiatic languages Afro-Asiatic (Other) afro-asiatiques, langues afro-asiatiques, autres langues apa Apache languages apache, langues apache art Artificial languages Artificial (Other) artificielles, langues artificielles, autres langues bai Bamileke languages bamiléké, langues bamilékés, langues bat Baltic languages Baltic (Other) baltiques, langues baltiques, autres langues ber Berber languages Berber (Other) berbères, langues berbères, autres langues bnt Bantu languages Bantu (Other) bantoues, langues bantoues, autres langues cai Central American Indian languages Central American Indian (Other) indiennes d'Amérique centrale, langues indiennes d'Amérique centrale, autres langues cau Caucasian languages Caucasian (Other) caucasiennes, langues caucasiennes, autres langues cel Celtic languages Celtic (Other) celtiques, langues celtiques, autres langues cpe Creoles and pidgins, English-based Creoles and pidgins, English-based (Other) créoles et pidgins anglais créoles et pidgins anglais, autres cpf Creoles and pidgins, French-based Creoles and pidgins, French-based (Other) créoles et pidgins français créoles et pidgins français, autres cpp Creoles and pidgins, Portuguese-based Creoles and pidgins, Portuguese-based (Other) créoles et pidgins portugais créoles et pidgins portugais, autres crp Creoles and pidgins Creoles and pidgins (Other) créoles et pidgins créoles et pidgins divers cus Cushitic languages Cushitic (Other) couchitiques, langues couchitiques, autres langues dra Dravidian languages Dravidian (Other) dravidiennes, langues dravidiennes, autres langues fiu Finno-Ugrian languages Finno-Ugrian (Other) finno-ougriennes, langues finno-ougriennes, autres langues gem Germanic languages Germanic (Other) germaniques, langues germaniques, autres langues inc Indic languages Indic (Other) indo-aryennes, langues indo-aryennes, autres langues ine Indo-European languages Indo-European (Other) indo-européennes, langues indo-européennes, autres langues ira Iranian languages Iranian (Other) iraniennes, langues iraniennes, autres langues khi Khoisan languages Khoisan (Other) khoïsan, langues khoisan, autres langues map Austronesian languages Austronesian (Other) austronésiennes, langues malayo-polynésiennes, autres langues mkh Mon-Khmer languages Mon-Khmer (Other) môn-khmer, langues môn-khmer, autres langues myn Mayan languages mayas, langues maya, langues nai North American Indian languages North American Indian (Other) indiennes d'Amérique du Nord, langues indiennes d'Amérique du Nord, autres langues nic Niger-Kordofanian languages Niger-Kordofanian (Other) nigéro-kordofaniennes, langues nigéro-congolaises, autres langues oto Otomian languages otomi, langues otomangue, langues paa Papuan languages Papuan (Other) papoues, langues papoues, autres langues phi Philippine languages Philippine (Other) philippines, langues philippines, autres langues pra Prakrit languages prâkrits, langues prâkrit roa Romance languages Romance (Other) romanes, langues romanes, autres langues sai South American Indian languages South American Indian (Other) indiennes d'Amérique du Sud, langues indiennes d'Amérique du Sud, autres langues sem Semitic languages Semitic (Other) sémitiques, langues sémitiques, autres langues sit Sino-Tibetan languages Sino-Tibetan (Other) sino-tibétaines, langues sino-tibétaines, autres langues sla Slavic languages Slavic (Other) slaves, langues slaves, autres langues smi Sami languages Sami languages (Other) sames, langues 639-2:1998 = sami, langues; sami, autres langues ssa Nilo-Saharan languages Nilo-Saharan (Other) nilo-sahariennes, langues nilo-sahariennes, autres langues tai Tai languages Tai (Other) tai, langues thaïes, autres langues tut Altaic languages Altaic (Other) altaïques, langues altaïques, autres langues Best regards, Håvard -------------------- Håvard Hjulstad Standard Norge / Standards Norway Postboks 242, NO-1326 Lysaker besøksadresse / visiting address: Strandveien 18 tel: (+47) 67838600 | faks / fax: (+47) 67838601 direkte tel / direct tel: (+47) 67838645 [log in to unmask] <blocked::mailto:[log in to unmask]> http://www.standard.no/ <blocked::http://www.standard.no/> --------------------