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Perhaps we could speed this along by voicing assent prior to next Thursday? I would like to publish both the deprecation and the name additions in one step for the ISO 639-3 website, so the sooner the names are resolved, the better. I agree with the proposal for the names as Håvard has stated them. -Joan Håvard Hjulstad <[log in to unmask]> Sent by: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> 2008-11-05 05:43 PM Please respond to ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> To [log in to unmask] cc Subject Re: ISO 639 JAC decision re mo/mol Dear ISO 639 JAC members (voting members and the rest of you), My proposal is as follows: If no JAC members has voiced a different opinion during the next week (by 13 November), the names associated with "ro/ron/rum" will be: Romanian; Moldavian; Moldovan (in English) roumain, moldave (in French) To be clear: "different opinion" may relate both to the subject matter and the procedure. Best regards, Håvard -------------------- Håvard Hjulstad Standard Norge / Standards Norway [log in to unmask] -------------------- -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] På vegne av Gerhard Budin Sendt: 5. november 2008 07:56 Til: [log in to unmask] Emne: Re: ISO 639 JAC decision re mo/mol Håvard, I agree with you! > I agree. The JAC hasn't made a formal decision (yet), but I guess we should change the reference name of the item "ro" "ron/rum" to "Romanian; Moldavian; Moldovan" and "roumain, moldave". > > The ISO 639 standards series has as its general title "Codes for the representation of names of languages". I tend to disagree with the notion that "names of languages" is the actual object of standardization; it is the linguistic entity itself that is the object. In the process of finalization of ISO 639-4 (now submitted to CS for DIS.2 ballot) there may be a chance to re-address this issue. Once you get that document for comment, you should look at the entire title to assess whether it can be improved (which I know it can), and whether some text should be inserted somewhere to capture this important issue. > > Best regards, > Håvard > > -------------------- > Håvard Hjulstad > Standard Norge / Standards Norway > [log in to unmask] > -------------------- > > -----Opprinnelig melding----- > Fra: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] På vegne av Rebecca S Guenther > Sendt: 3. november 2008 22:23 > Til: [log in to unmask] > Emne: Fwd: Re: ISO 639 JAC decision re mo/mol > > See forwarded message. I was expecting some people not to be very happy about this decision. I hope we are not overwhelmed by letters of disagreement. Of course the answer is that we are standardizing the code, not the language name, and that the code is an identifier, not an abbreviation for the language. And that Moldovan is a variant of Romanian and can use the script code for Cyrillic. > > If anyone has additional ideas for an explanation of our decision, please let me know. > > Rebecca > > > -- Univ.-Prof. Dr. Gehard Budin Center for Translation Studies University of Vienna Gymnasiumstraße 50, 1190 Vienna Tel: +43 1 4277 58020 Fax: +43 1 4277 9580