My information was by no means definitive. I will yield to our colleague at the Bibliothèque nationale de France. -Joan Rebecca S Guenther <[log in to unmask]> Sent by: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> 2008-10-31 08:16 AM Please respond to ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> To [log in to unmask] cc Subject Re: Khotanese (was: ISO 639-2 Language Code Change Request) I had received some information from Joan Spanne at SIL that "sakan" was the French, but it would be good for you to check your sources if possible to make sure. I had added this to the change notice a week or so ago at: http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_changes.php Rebecca >>> Sonja Huard <[log in to unmask]> 10/31/08 3:58 AM >>> I just realized that I need a French form for this one. Is it "sakan"? I Have found some references with "saka" Message de : Rebecca S Guenther <[log in to unmask]> 21/10/2008 16:47 Envoyé par : ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> Veuillez répondre à ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> Pour [log in to unmask] Copie Objet Re: Khotanese (was: ISO 639-2 Language Code Change Request) I just realized that I need a French form for this one. Is it "sakan"? I think we should also add Khotanese-Sakan (and then we would need a French form for that as well)? >>> Rebecca S Guenther <[log in to unmask]> 10/21/08 10:26 AM >>> I am ready to change this information in 639-2; now there is the question of 639-3. Christian responded that since the case was clear we could bypass the normal process. I am not sure if we really need to ballot this one, since it is a change in 639-3. Perhaps we can use the process we have used for alternative name requests which are clear-- if anyone objects to this action in both 639-2 and 639-3, please address your concerns to the list by the end of this week, 24 Oct. 2008. At that time 639-3 could consider it approved. Would that work for you, Joan? Rebecca >>> Joan Spanne <[log in to unmask]> 10/01/08 10:19 AM >>> Hello All, I think the name addition is clear enough, but I have an associated procedural question with regard to the Part 3 duplicate code element [xsk] that now also ought to be retired. As I said, it never should have gotten into the code set, as it does essentially duplicate [kho]. Submission of new change proposals handled through our yearly cycle closed last month (Sept. 1), so I can't put this one through our normal change review process in 2008. I don't think it should wait for 2009. I also think the needed action is clear. Is there an action the JAC can take (or can I take it directly as the RA?) to correct this, that is, to retire [xsk] as a duplicate without going through the usual 639-3 process? Thanks for your input on this. You might also want to check on some of the pending changes at http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/chg_requests.asp Some of them are more interesting than others. 2008-043 is the change request involving Estonian. Joan Rebecca S Guenther <[log in to unmask]> Sent by: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> 2008-10-01 08:43 AM Please respond to ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> To [log in to unmask] cc Subject Fwd: ISO 639-2 Language Code Change Request This request is from Joan. It has apparently already been examined by SIL for 639-3. If there aren't any objections, I will add it as an alternate name. Rebecca >>> NDMSO <[log in to unmask]> 09/30/08 11:06 AM >>> ISO 639-2 Language Code Change Request. English name of Language: Khotanese French name of Language: khotanais iso_639_2_b: kho iso_639_2_t: kho change_requested: Add the name \"Sakan\". There is an existing code element for Sakan in ISO 639-3, [xsk], but it should (will) be retired, as essentially a duplicate of [kho]. This should have been identified and dealt with when the draft ISO 639-3 code tables were generated, but we missed it. Linguist List expresses a preference for the name \"Sakan\" and so we are requesting this name be added in 639-2. This is the text of the description that LinguistList has currently for [xsk]: http://linguistlist.org/forms/langs/LLDescription.cfm?code=xsk Language Name : Sakan Alternate Name(s) : Khotanese Khotanese-Sakan Once Spoken in : Uzbekistan Turkmenistan Afghanistan Kazakhstan Tajikistan China Kyrgyzstan Language Code : xsk (Former code: XSK ) Status : Extinct Family : Indo-European Subgroup : Eastern Iranian Subgrouping Code : IEIBA Brief Description : This Middle Iranian language, is found in large numbers of documents, ranging from letters to Buddhist texts, most of which were found in the medieval kingdom of Khotan, centered around the modern city of Hetian in Chinese Turkestan. It is written in a variant of the Brāhmī script. An ancient language of Central Asia. 100 BC - 1000 AD. Submitter's name: Joan Spanne Submitter's email : [log in to unmask] Submitter's status : RA for ISO 639-3. Avant d'imprimer, pensez à l'environnement. Consider the environment before printing this mail. =