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And with more and more theses being created in PDF or other electronic 
forms and available freely on the web, and with AACR2 saying to consider 
all remote access electronic resources to be published (9.4B2), there's 
another argument against treating theses differently from other resources. 
As more and more universities require ETDs and make them available online, 
they will no longer be considered manuscript material.

Adam

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On Fri, 7 Nov 2008, Laurence Creider wrote:

> When the concepts for establishing a name were developed in the nineteenth 
> and early twentieth century, theses were published in most countries and were 
> frequently exchanged by major universities on an international basis. When 
> the notion that the most commonly used form should form the basis for the 
> choice of name was developed (1950's), dissertations and theses in many 
> countries were still published but not in the U.S.  This is important because 
> part of the argument against using the form on theses is because they are 
> unpublished.  A blanket rule will not work.  Nor will a distinction between 
> published and unpublished, since published forms of a name may be subject to 
> rules not of the author's choosing.
>
> The problem with hanging an interpretation of AACR2's sources for choosing 
> the fullness of name on a distinction between "publication" and "thesis" is 
> that the code makes no such distinction.  Nor does it make a distinction 
> betwen published and unpublished works by an individual in choosing a name. 
> As things go, most of the time, evidence will come from published works, but 
> a statement of responsiblity is a statement of responsibility and can occur 
> on manuscripts, locally produced videos, or sound recordings, even graphics 
> of various sorts, etc.
>
> If folks want to change the rule or urge that RDA incorporate such 
> distinctions, great.  Go through the rule revision process.  I do not believe 
> that you can interpret the current rule to justify ignoring statements of 
> responsibility on theses or dissertations.
>
>
> Laurence S. Creider
> Special Collections Librarian
> New Mexico State University
> Las Cruces, NM  88003
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> On Fri, 7 Nov 2008, Hal Cain wrote:
>
>> john g marr wrote:
>>> On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Stanley Elswick wrote:
>> 
>>>> 22.3A means [not] that the rulemakers intended that we *not* take into 
>>>> account theses everywhere else.
>>>
>>>   That is an adequate local working hypothesis, but you need to answer the 
>>> question, to wit:  why are theses given a relatively exceptional level of 
>>> mention?
>> 
>> Because they are (or were when the concepts involved in establishing a name 
>> were developed) unpublished and largely uncirculated.  Though they now 
>> circulate more than they used to do, they're still not "mainstream" 
>> documents in the sense that commercial publication, or posting on a 
>> widely-accessible site, creates.
>>>
>>>>  We just don't know what they intended.
>>>
>>>   Amen, and that is insufficient for a "rule" or a law and contrary to the 
>>> basic principles of same.
>>> 
>>>> I would like to have a rule that excepts theses from establishing the 
>>>> most common form of the name
>>>
>>>   Amen.  For the time being, catalogers' prerogative of interpretation of 
>>> ambiguity allows that.
>> 
>> Back in November 2006, I posted (to this list):
>> 
>> "One more thought: I find problems with names established on the basis of a 
>> single occurrence -- especially when that occurrence is in an
>> unpublished work, such as a thesis.  It's my view that names based on
>> unpublished sources should always be provisional; and that names based
>> on a single occurrence (especially CIP information) should be
>> provisional when established, and remain so for, say, 10 years.  At
>> least we would be alerted, when we had to investigate, that the
>> information needs to be reviewed."
>> 
>> Without intending to create loads of additional maintenance, I think we've 
>> moved beyond the idea that an established form of name must be immutable -- 
>> we've adapted to closing life dates and to revision of "AACR2-compatible" 
>> forms.  To admit that we haven't sufficient evidence to establish a form of 
>> name fully is surely a realistic approach to real-life situations.
>> 
>> Hal Cain
>> Dalton McCaughey Library
>> Parkville, Victoria, Australia
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