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Unfortunately, in terms of fullness, LCRI 22.3A does not provide an 
example to illustrate a situation like this one.  What we have there is 
"B.E.F. Pagen" is fuller than "Bernard Edward Pagen", which is easily 
understood.

But in the case raised by Pat, to me, Marc James Russell is fuller than 
Marc J. Russell, especially if there is another author whose name is 
also in the form "Marc J. Russell" and the initial J. is for John or Joseph.

Zehua Sun
Principal Cataloger
Hong Kong University of Science and Technology Library


Deborah J. Leslie wrote:
>
> I see that Mary and I have different recommendations. A point of fact, 
> though: Marc J. Russell is no less full than Marc James Russell. See 
> LCRI 22.3A Fullness
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> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
> *On Behalf Of *Mary Dabney Wilson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 04 November, 2008 14:35
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> *Subject:* Re: heading on record for a thesis
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> Hi Pat,
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> You have a fullness issue which is covered by LCRI 22.3A...the 80% 
> rule.  You first ask "Does the form found on your piece agree with the 
> form found in _headings _for this author".  It seems that you have a 
> case where your form matches one of several different forms already on 
> bib records.  If that's the case, then you go to the second provision 
> of the LCRI where you count _usages_ and if you have 80% for one 
> usage, great...you use that form made into a heading with possible 
> additions of initials spelled out and birthdate.  However, if there is 
> no one form of usage that would equal 80%, then you need to use the 
> fullest form, and that most certainly _can_ be the form on the thesis 
> or dissertation.  For the case you describe, I believe you should be 
> using the fullest form:
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> Russell, Marc James, $d 1975- 
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> I hope this helps [and agrees with other responses you get]  ;)
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> Mary Dabney Wilson
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> >>> Pat Fowler <[log in to unmask]> 11/4/2008 12:54 PM >>>
> I want to establish a heading for Marc J. Russell, author of 
> Verification of bay productivity measurement by remote sensors. 
> (ocm76884043). There is already a record for this title in OCLC with 
> the heading Russell, Marc J.
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> I know that this is the same person listed as author of the thesis: 
> Net ecosystem metabolism in Texas shallow water estuaries (ocm68816448)
> Russell, Marc James |d 1975
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> and likely  Marc Russell(ocm54855207 and ocm54488377)
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> I'm unsure how to determine which version of the name to use.  Can 
> someone please tell me if I can use the fullest form as found on the 
> thesis?
> Russell, Marc James, |d 1975
> Russell, Marc J. |q (Marc James), |d 1975
> Russell, Marc J.
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> Thank you for your help.
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> Pat Fowler
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