Most people,myself included,who have spent any amount of time digging through old records has come across acetates of complete radio shows (I have sold a few on eBay of "X Minus One"(An NBC show.),Jack Benny,and "Gang Busters".) that were recorded by radio stations at the time they were first broadcast. I have a 33 1/3 "Victrolac" record somewhere(Like a "Program Transcription".) of a radio transcription RCA pressed for NBC,by Orson Welles National Political Action Committee.What would be the date on this? Roger --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > From: Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] OTR online? > To: [log in to unmask] > Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 3:39 PM > Tom Fine wrote: > > Most people take OTR to encompass old radio > broadcasts, not playing of old records like Dismuke's > internet-streaming show. > > > > That said, do some surfing at archive.org because > there are also many recordings of live band remote > broadcasts, which were the common way a lot of music was > broadcast back in the day. For many years, many radio > stations would not play records over the air, for a number > of reasons. This changed dramatically in the years after > WWII. This was not a hard-fast rule, there were exceptions > in both legitimate licensed broadcasting as well as pirate > and off-shore broadcasting. > > > > You have confused radio stations with radio networks. It > was the networks which did not allow the playing of > recordings, not the stations. Almost every radio station > played records and recordings in their local programming. > I don't know where you got the idea that local stations > did not air records and recordings. (The only notable local > exceptions were WEAF, WJZ, and KPO until Oct 29, 1937 -- NBC > was trying to keep their flagship stations > "pure".) And what do you mean by "pirate and > off-shore broadcasting"??? That didn't come about > until the late 50s and mainly in Europe where there never > was a prohibition against recordings in any country at any > time. Earlier there were legit European stations in the > 1930s like Radio Luxembourg and Radio Paris broadcasting > commercial English language programs recorded in London back > to England, but as I mentioned, no European station or > national network prohibited recordings. Only in the U.S. > were the networks that weird. And there were the Mexican > border stations XER, XERA, etc in the 1930s, but as I said, > there never were any prohibitions against local U.S. > stations playing recordings so this was nothing unusual in > that respect. > > As for those U.S. networks, Mutual never had that > prohibition. It was only NBC and CBS. The NBC prohibition > ended on Feb. 8, 1949 with memo #2-49-005 from Ken R. Dyke > to NBC execs, and CBS probably also did so at around the > same time. NBC had allowed some recorded repeats on their > Pacific coast NBC Blue starting on June 22, 1939 to keep > from losing a couple of kids programs. Jack Benny was > included in this allowance for a year or so till they moved > him back to Pacific Red. NBC made only two specific > nationwide pre-war allowances . They allowed ONE airing on > each network of an excerpt of the Hindenburg Disaster > recording, and an hourly repeat of the early morning Prime > Minister Chamberlain Declaration of War on Sept 3, 1939. > Both CBS and NBC unknowingly aired 4 short recordings of > King George VI's coronation ceremony when taking the BBC > summary program at the end of the day, and NBC was furious > when they discovered that Lowell Thomas had fed them via > recordings an interview with the French Premier a few days > after the coronation, and Queen Wilhelmina and Lord Baden > Powell on July 31, 1937 instead of doing the interviews > live. But that is the network, not local stations. By 1943 > NBC had said they would air war related recordings of > importance, and did so for FDR's speech about North > Africa, but they were very selective. They did air a few > recordings on D-Day including George Hicks report from > aboard a ship. All the networks started airing one-hour > delayed programming for the non-Daylight Saving Time > stations after the war, and this led to ABC (which had been > NBC Blue before 1942) allowing Bing Crosby to pre-record and > edit Philco Radio Time in 1946. > > > So, a show like Dismuke's probably wouldn't > exist under the lexicon of OTR. > > But not for the reasons you gave. > > > Mike Biel [log in to unmask] > > > > > By the way, in the perfect world, the major copyright > owners (megaglomerate music companies) would happily and > wholeheartedly fund a multi-hour weekly series for NPR > hosted by Dismuke or someone like him highlighting all these > gems from their vaults. The sponsorship annoucements could > tell listeners to go to a special "store" at > Amazon or the like to buy the reissue CD's of whatever > is available in that format. This would take a different > vault-management style than has been shown in recent years. > > > > -- Tom Fine > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou > Judson" <[log in to unmask]> > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 2:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] OTR online? > > > > > > Thanks Tom. Those are good, but what I really meant > was more people > > like Dismuke who program old music currently - with > commentary and > > the like... > > > > <L> > > > > Lou Judson • Intuitive Audio > > 415-883-2689 > > > > > > On Jan 1, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Tom Fine wrote: > > > >> There is a ton of stuff at www.archive.org. Search > on old radio first to get a general listing, then get as > specific as you like. > >> > >> Also, a listmember runs: > >> www.oldtimeradioonmp3.com > >> the sound quality level of his MP3 is very high. > >> > >> And of course Radio Spirits has a website. > >> > >> -- Tom Fine > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou > Judson" <[log in to unmask]> > >> To: <[log in to unmask]> > >> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 2:12 PM > >> Subject: [ARSCLIST] OTR online? > >> > >> > >> I would love to have a listing of all the OTR > links available. Been > >> enjoying Dismuke, WAMU Hot Jazz Saturday Night, > and would love to > >> have links handy from our good radio people here! > >> > >> Thanks very much and Happy New Year - may it be a > good one (not to > >> mention better!), > >> > >> Lou > > > >