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I think that part of the problem is that the debate might seem like a
conference because of the presence and number of attendees.  When looked
at as a situation of intellectual activity, this set of debates was
basically an exchange between two people.  Existing cataloging rules and
cataloging tradition would probably consider the reports of the debates as
a work with two authors.  Today's multiple candidate debates (usually held
before primaries) would probably fit under the category of a work with
several people responsible.  I don't see that a debate satisfies the
definition of a corporate body, and surely that comes before any
consideration of whether a conference is involved, let alone a named
conference.

Larry

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On Wed, September 23, 2009 2:19 pm, John Lavalie wrote:
> For what it's worth the Chicago Tribune at the time called each debate
"The Great Debate Between Lincoln and Douglas at (location)"  (not an
exhaustive search by me)
>
> Does the fact that the Tribune used the singular rather than "The Great
Debates ..." suggest that they are independent events?  Likewise my
video
> that recreates only the 5th debate?
>
> Leading questions, I know.
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> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of Moon, Betsy (Secretary)
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:31 PM
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> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Lincoln-Douglas debates
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> Ted,
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> It just never crossed my mind that a debate between two people would be
considered a 'conference' or a 'symposium'.  I'm not saying that it is
unreasonable for someone to disagree, but then, I haven't seen any
corporate headings for the various debates between presidential
> candidates-Nixon/Kennedy, Ford/Carter, etc.  This leads me to believe
that
> campaign debates do not fall under descriptive cataloging practice,
because there are no 111 headings for any of these debates.
>
> Betsy Moon
> Cataloging Supervisor
> U.S. Senate Library
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> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of Ted P Gemberling
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:06 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Lincoln-Douglas debates
>
> Betsy,
> I'd be curious to know what you perceive as "un-conference or
> -symposium-like" about them. I'm just curious about this. What is that
definition of a conference or symposium? We do also use 111's for
expeditions, I think.
>
> Ted Gemberling
> UAB Lister Hill Library
> (205)934-2461
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> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of Moon, Betsy (Secretary)
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 1:02 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Lincoln-Douglas debates
>
> John,
>
> All 7 of the Lincoln-Douglas debates occurred between August and October
in 1858-Ottawa, Ill., Aug. 21, 1858; Freeport, Ill, Aug. 27, 1858;
Jonesboro, Ill, Sept. 15, 1858; Charleston, Ill., Sept. 18, 1858;
Galesburg, Ill., Oct. 7, 1858; Quincy, Ill., on Oct. 13, 1858; and
Alton,
> Ill., on Oct. 15, 1858.   While there was more than one debate, and thus
I
> can see why someone would think they were 'recurring', in toto these
debates constituted a one-time only event between two individuals
(Abraham
> Lincoln and Stephen Douglas) leading up to a specific election to the
U.S.
> Senate.  The debates do not seem to me to meet the definition of a
conference or a symposium, and the subject heading is perfectly valid,
so
> I would go ahead and use it-we certainly have. ;-)
>
> Betsy Moon
> Cataloging Supervisor
> U.S. Senate Library
> SRB-15, Senate Russell Office Bldg.
> Washington, DC 20510
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