Tom Fine wrote:
> I read an article about 16 2/3 RPM LPs, I think in an old High 
> Fidelity or HiFi Review. It was a short fad, right? I think Prestige 
> and some other jazz labels reissued very old mono titles in discounted 
> double-length records. If I recall the article correctly, Rudy Van 
> Gelder was the guy who cut those records, and he talked about how it 
> was somewhat of a challenge but do-able. The reviewer agreed that old 
> mono jazz could successfully be reissued in that medium.
> Anyone know how long that fad lasted and how many records were issued 
> in that format?
> -- Tom Fine
I hesitate to change the subject line because apparently my previous 
shorter answer to this was not seen in another subject head.  In 1958 
Vox issued 8 and Prestige issued 6 (?) 12-inch 16 2/3 XLPs that were all 
mastered by Rudy Van Gelder.  I have three of the Vox, and I have never 
seen any others  anywhere except these three in the warehouse of the 
record distributor where I worked in 1966 and gave them to me as 
unsalable.  "The Long Player" and "Jazz and Pops" catalogs listed them 
in a special section for about a year, and I suppose this means that Sam 
Goody's was trying to sell them!  If I had more time I'd check when they 
entered and left the catalog, but this is wha16t 1was there in the 2nd 
half of 1958. 

1   Concorde -- Modern Jazz Quar, Milt Jackson Trio
2   Let's Get Away From It All -- Billy Taylor 
4   Three Trombones -- Jay Jay Johnson, Kai Winding, Bennie Green
5   Modern Jazz Survey -- NY Jazz
6   Modern Jazz Survey -- Baritones & French Horns
8   Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants
I have no idea what happened to 3 or 7.  5 & 6 didn't appear until the 
Oct 58 catalog.

VXL-1  Tchaikovsky  Piano Con 1, Romeo & Julie, Sym 6
VXL-2  Beethoven  Emperor and D Maj Violin Cons, Corioian & Leonore Overs
VXL-3  L'Arfesienne 1&2, Polovetsian, Scheherazade, Nutcracker S.
VXL-4  Geo Feyer -- Round the World, Round the Clock
VXL-5  Syms: Beethoven 5, Dvorak 5, Prokofiev 1, Schubert 8
VXL-6  Piano Cons: Grieg, Liszt 1, Rach 2, Schumann
VXL-7  Dance  Party -- Barreto, Monese, Sandauer
VXL-8  Violin Cons: Tsch, Paganini 1,  Mendelssohn, Bruch 1

Mike Biel  [log in to unmask] 

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Nelson" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Living Presence promo copies
> The Seebug juke box company made a "library" unit that played  12" 
> lps. The unit was designed to play 33s or 16 2/3 rpm music discs.
> 16rpm  12" discs were released by Decca records, mostly bacground 
> music type.
> dnw
> --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> From: Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Living Presence promo copies
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 12:49 PM
>> Hi Larry:
>> That sounds like a cool toy! Wow, that must have been a
>> 70's thing, the golden age of albums. When you sat down and
>> listened to an album one side at a time. We're back to the
>> pre-album days again in popular music, one song at a time.
>> Music servers are slowly becoming a mainstream component.
>> There will be a day when someone combines something like
>> that into a genuine jukebox interface and they'll have
>> themselves a nice niche product. There are already plenty of
>> virtual jukebox interfaces, but I'm talking about the real
>> thing, including the neon lighting and the pushbuttons.
>> -- Tom Fine
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry S Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 3:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Living Presence promo copies
>> Tom,
>> Do you know about LP jukeboxes? Not the kind
>> that plays 7-inch 33-1/3 discs, but the type that plays
>> full-sized 12-inch LPs. I've encountered only a
>> couple, one in a long-gone restaurant near the Mizzou campus
>> called the Agora House. Not only were the enchiladas
>> good, for, I believe, a quarter, I could hear an entire side
>> of 'The Doors" or "Surrealistic Pillow." Probably not
>> the sort of thing you'd want to put your shaded dogs on, but
>> if you had a Dynaflex re-issue of something, who
>> cares? By the way, I think it had a Shure cartridge.
>> Larry Miller
>> For a long time, I had dreams of a classic 45-singles
>> jukebox, but then when I started shopping for
>> a well-restored one, it turned out they mostly sound like
>> crap due to both mid-grade to low-grade
>> phono pickups and also the fact that most singles sound
>> like crap from Play One. So net-net, I
>> decided that they're great for noisy bars and diners but
>> not so much for focused listening at home.
>> I admit still being thrilled when I come upon one that
>> still works in a bar or diner. The first
>> thing I do is feed it dollars so I can sample its contents.
>> Nowadays, if you find it working, it's
>> usually on its last legs and the records are circa early
>> 1990's or earlier. No interest in or use
>> for CD jukeboxes; I remember when those first came out,
>> higher prices per play and less fun to use.
>> Plus much less frequent switch-ins of music, at least in
>> the upstate NY market, so the whole purpose
>> of a jukebox was being defeated. It went from a
>> music-discovery machine to an oldies and stale hits
>> machine.
>> -- Tom Fine