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Gang, 

Here's some images showing what out UN discs look like. They appear to be an NBC 
product, complete with pre-printed labels that indicate both NBC and Hoover as the 
intended destination before cutting even began.. 

http://arsc-aaa.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=557 

Then again, we don't know when the discs were cut. We only know the dates of the 
content on them. 

Brandon 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brandon Burke" <[log in to unmask]> 
To: [log in to unmask] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:43:18 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] UN Planning Sessions (1945) 

Again, thanks everyone. Mike and Sam especially. 

Next order of business is to go downstairs and check the discs for official NBC labels 
and sleeves. If they've got nothing telling on them but handwritten notes on a blank 
sleeve or grease pencil radio station call letters then we're at least getting somewhere. 
(If it turns out they're worthy of debate, I'll post some images on the AAA Board..) 

Also: Appreciate the fidelity/generation notes, Mike. I hadn't thought of that. 

cheers, 
Brandon 



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Biel" <[log in to unmask]> 
To: [log in to unmask] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:31:31 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] UN Planning Sessions (1945) 

Sam brought up what I was first going to mention -- if your recordings 
were made in the city of origin of the broadcast it would have the 
possibility of having much better sound quality than those made in other 
cities on the network line. Your online catalog listing states that the 
recordings were made by NBC. Do they have NBC San Francisco labels? If 
so, they are likely to be hi-fi versions of what might be duplicated 
elsewhere with perhaps a 7 or 10 KHz top end. 

Another thing to remember is that the network recording services were 
available for hire by almost anyone. Recordings with NBC labels were 
not necessarily meant to be NBC property. 

If the recordings were not made by NBC themselves but by a recording 
studio, by 1945 NBC was required to make outside feeds available to 
studios, or else the recordings could be made off the air if the studio 
had not contracted for a feed. Direct feeds were to be preferred, of 
course. 

Mike Biel [log in to unmask] 


Sam Brylawski wrote: 
> I know that for the NBC Symphony NBC ran simultaneous lathes--lots of 
> them. Perhaps this was considered important enough to have a backup, 
> but what you suggest makes more sense: that you have copies cut on the 
> west coast, and LC copies from NYC. Mike B. will have the best 
> perspective on NBC recording practices of the time. I have yet to 
> figure out what they recorded and what they didn't save. 
> 
> I didn't look too closely at the SONIC records. Were all the discs 
> from the NBC collection at LC? I know that LC has transferred to tape 
> all NBC lacquers through the mid-1950s. They ought to be all be in 
> SONIC. But do ask the RSRC folks to send you a copy of a print-out 
> from the NBC disc inventory microfiche. It should list what was 
> recorded by NBC, but of course discs could have been lost and/or 
> broken between that event and their getting to LC in the late 1970s. 
> 
> Sam 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Brandon Burke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: 
> 
>> Thanks Sam. 
>> 
>> Looks too like many of them were copied onto reels in the 80's. I wonder if there's a full 
>> inventory somewhere. And why would we have glass-based discs here at Stanford when 
>> the NBC collection is at LC? (I realize the meetings were in San Francisco; maybe a few 
>> different entities were cutting discs at the same time..?) 
>> 
>> Sarah and others: Thanks to you too. I'll follow up with those suggestions later in the week.. 
>> 
>> Brandon 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Sam Brylawski" <[log in to unmask]> 
>> To: [log in to unmask] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:27:10 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] UN Planning Sessions (1945) 
>> 
>> Brandon, I do see a lot of them in LC's SONIC catalog. 
>> 
>> Sam 
>> 
>> ------------ 
>> Sam Brylawski 
>> Editor and Project Manager 
>> Encyclopedic Discography of Victor Recordings 
>> University of California, Santa Barbara 
>> http://victor.library.ucsb.edu 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Dave Lewis <[log in to unmask]> wrote: 
>> 
>>> Stupid question, Brandon, but have you run into any Alger Hiss on those 
>>> recordings? 
>>> 
>>> David "Uncle Dave" Lewis 
>>> 
>>> Assistant Editor, Classical 
>>> 
>>> Rovi Corporation 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List 
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of ADRIAN COSENTINI 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:07 PM 
>>> To: [log in to unmask] 
>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] UN Planning Sessions (1945) 
>>> 
>>> Hi Brandon, 
>>> 
>>> Most likely there might be duplicates of those discs in the NBC radio 
>>> collection at the Library of Congress. There also might be recordings of 
>>> these at The Paley Center (formally the Museum of Television & Radio) in 
>>> New York City. Now this is a long shot but there might be copies at The 
>>> UN. 
>>> 
>>> Cheers, 
>>> Adrian 
>>> 
>>> --- On Tue, 10/20/09, Brandon Burke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> From: Brandon Burke <[log in to unmask]> 
>>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] UN Planning Sessions (1945) 
>>> To: [log in to unmask] 
>>> Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 1:39 PM 
>>> 
>>> All, 
>>> 
>>> We have 146 16" discs of the UN planning sessions in San Francisco, 
>>> 1945. 
>>> 
>>> The ones we've played anyway appear to be NBC radio broadcasts. We're 
>>> considering these taking on 
>>> as a new project; first however, I need to know if copies of these 
>>> recordings exist elsewhere. If so, then 
>>> we might reconsider or (better) consider partnering with other 
>>> institutions to get these done in full. 
>>> 
>>> Here's a link to our finding aid (such as it is): 
>>> http://www.oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/tf2f59n5jz/ 
>>> 
>>> Any info you might have is appreciated. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> thanks, 
>>> Brandon 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Brandon Burke 
>>> Archivist for Recorded Sound Collections 
>>> Hoover Institution Archives 
>>> Stanford University 
>>> Stanford, CA 94305-6010 
>>> vox: 650.724.9711 
>>> fax: 650.725.3445 
>>> email: [log in to unmask] 
>>> 
>>> 
>> -- 
>> Brandon Burke 
>> Archivist for Recorded Sound Collections 
>> Hoover Institution Archives 
>> Stanford University 
>> Stanford, CA 94305-6010 
>> vox: 650.724.9711 
>> fax: 650.725.3445 
>> email: [log in to unmask] 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Brandon Burke 
Archivist for Recorded Sound Collections 
Hoover Institution Archives 
Stanford University 
Stanford, CA 94305-6010 
vox: 650.724.9711 
fax: 650.725.3445 
email: [log in to unmask] 


-- 
Brandon Burke 
Archivist for Recorded Sound Collections 
Hoover Institution Archives 
Stanford University 
Stanford, CA 94305-6010 
vox: 650.724.9711 
fax: 650.725.3445 
email: [log in to unmask]