I have one Vox,but not where I could readily get to it.


--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: [ARSCLIST] LP Jukeboxes  (Was:Living Presence promo copies)
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 10:46 PM

Dan Nelson wrote:

> The Seebug juke box company made a "library" unit that played  12" lps. The unit was designed to play 33s or 16 2/3 rpm music discs.  
> 16rpm  12" discs were released by Decca records, mostly bacground music type.
> dnw

Do you have any reference for info (or any copies) of any 12-inch Decca 
16 2/3 RPM discs?  Vox put out a series of 8 them in 1958 and I have 
three of them, and Prestige did 4 of them, but the only 16 2/3 Decca 
pressings I've seen are 10-inch with large holes (maybe 2-inches) that 
were made especially for the Seeburg.  Victor also did pressings for 
them.  These discs were not sold to the public but were leased with the 
machine with monthly updates.  The Vox and Prestige records were sold to 
the public, looked like regular 12-inch LPs, and were listed in a 
separate section in "The Long Player" and "Jazz and Pops" catalogs.  Vox 
called them XLPs, and all were mastered by Rudy Van Gelder.

Mike Biel  [log in to unmask]   

> --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>> From: Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Living Presence promo copies
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 12:49 PM
>> Hi Larry:
>> That sounds like a cool toy! Wow, that must have been a
>> 70's thing, the golden age of albums. When you sat down and
>> listened to an album one side at a time. We're back to the
>> pre-album days again in popular music, one song at a time.
>> Music servers are slowly becoming a mainstream component.
>> There will be a day when someone combines something like
>> that into a genuine jukebox interface and they'll have
>> themselves a nice niche product. There are already plenty of
>> virtual jukebox interfaces, but I'm talking about the real
>> thing, including the neon lighting and the pushbuttons.
>> -- Tom Fine
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry S Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 3:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Living Presence promo copies
>> Tom,
>>   Do you know about LP jukeboxes?  Not the kind
>> that plays 7-inch 33-1/3 discs, but the type that plays
>> full-sized 12-inch LPs.  I've encountered only a
>> couple, one in a long-gone restaurant near the Mizzou campus
>> called the Agora House.  Not only were the enchiladas
>> good, for, I believe, a quarter, I could hear an entire side
>> of 'The Doors" or "Surrealistic Pillow."  Probably not
>> the sort of thing you'd want to put your shaded dogs on, but
>> if you had a Dynaflex re-issue of something, who
>> cares?  By the way, I think it had a Shure cartridge.
>> Larry Miller
>> For a long time, I had dreams of a classic 45-singles
>> jukebox, but then when I started shopping for
>> a well-restored one, it turned out they mostly sound like
>> crap due to both mid-grade to low-grade
>> phono pickups and also the fact that most singles sound
>> like crap from Play One. So net-net, I
>> decided that they're great for noisy bars and diners but
>> not so much for focused listening at home.
>> I admit still being thrilled when I come upon one that
>> still works in a bar or diner. The first
>> thing I do is feed it dollars so I can sample its contents.
>> Nowadays, if you find it working, it's
>> usually on its last legs and the records are circa early
>> 1990's or earlier. No interest in or use
>> for CD jukeboxes; I remember when those first came out,
>> higher prices per play and less fun to use.
>> Plus much less frequent switch-ins of music, at least in
>> the upstate NY market, so the whole purpose
>> of a jukebox was being defeated. It went from a
>> music-discovery machine to an oldies and stale hits
>> machine.
>> -- Tom Fine